Analogue captions

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:43:56 -0700, 2Bdecided wrote:

P.S. and it's not an age thing - it's an attitude thing.

There are several orders of magnitude difference between having a
telephone and having Internet access.

You are completely ignoring the economics and technical complexity.

To get on the Internet you need a computer, monitor, and aDSL or cable
model plus either a cable or aDSL ISP service. This all costs a
substantial amount of money to people on limited income.

Furthermore, being able to use a PC is rather more complex than
dialing a telephone, and how many senior (65 plus) people are familiar
with keyboard operation, unless they used to use a typewriter?

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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I didn't say *all* 20-somethings aren't aware, I said the problem stems from
20 somethings who aren't aware. As a matter of fact I spent about 10 years
in my twenties, so I'm far more experienced than you about the way 20-29
year old men tend to think.
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No, I'm afraid some young people cannot properly relate complex or even
simple technical issues to the initiated, and that everybody is IT Savvy.
That attitude is more prevalent with 'Media Types'.

If you mean those smartarsed types, who deliberately include unneccessary
technical terms and acronyms in day-to-day conversations with "ordinary folk",
even when they're just a lowly IT technician or media person or whatever, then
they're just "****s", basically - small men with big egos.
They do it in the hope it'll make people look up to them, and they always hate
me because I glare at them and roll my eyes repeatedly during their little
performances, before blinding them with genuine science. :-)


Trust me, I deal with them almost every day.

What is it that you do again? I forgot


A prime example is the general attitude from the Beeb, that everyone has
access to the internet. This time last year, a third of the population had
no internet access. I don't think that figure has altered much ?

It's currently 70%. But what do you mean by "the general attitude" from the
beeb?
Just because they advertise their online services on the air, doesn't
automatically mean they're assuming everyone can already access them.



What would you have the captions say instead btw?

"This channel will soon become unavailable, please ring 0800 123456 for
details"

You then make sure that whoever answers that phone number, knows, and can
relate in easy terms to the caller what is going to happen, and what they
need to do.


I tried something similar while trying to explain the switchover to my
grandad.
He immediately thought that BBC2 as a channel was closing down, until I
clarified that it was just the analogue version of it.
Even now I don't think he believes that "the ordinary telly" is being switched
off.
He pulled his face when I re-jigged his aerial system and fitted boxes on
their two secondary TV sets, as if it was all totally unneccessary.

Hence I think the caption should say
"You are watching analogue TV. Analogue TV will close down on $date. To
continue viewing your channels, you will need a digital TV or a digital set
top box.".

They also should leave one analogue transmitter running for 2 weeks post
switchover with a looped information film, like they did in the USA.
I have absolutely no idea why this hasn't been done, especially since, under
the existing plans, one analogue frequency in each region is already being
kept free.

2Bdecided wrote:


P.S. and it's not an age thing - it's an attitude thing.

I agree, but attitudes do change and/or are tempered as an individual ages.

For instance, compare the number of teenage vandals with vandals in
their 60s ?

"jamie powell" wrote in message
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I'm 20, and well aware of the older generations' general lack of technical
understanding.


I am in my early 70s and am absolutely sure that I have forgotten more than
you will ever learn.

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JohnT

In article , jamie powell
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
"jamie powell" wrote in message

Personally I think these captions are a little too vague - they
automatically assume that people will know whether their current TV
is a digital TV, but many will not.

Why put such captions on the analogue service? It's just going to to
put the wind up the old folk.

There's just no proper thought or common sense being applied. The root
problem is the people in charge are the internet obsessed 20 somethings
who imagine because they're comfortable with new technology and buzz
words, than the entire UK population must be too.

I'm 20, and well aware of the older generations' general lack of
technical understanding.

It's not an older generation thing - it's a socialogical problem. It might
be "It's going to be too complicated, so I won't bother to try and
understand" or "I am rich enough to employ someone to deal with meanial
tasks like that"..I've met Primary school teachers in their 20s who
couldn't even tune a radio "We leave that to the caretaker, because he's a
man." What hope have the pupils?

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From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

"JohnT" wrote in message
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"jamie powell" wrote in message
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I'm 20, and well aware of the older generations' general lack of technical
understanding.


I am in my early 70s and am absolutely sure that I have forgotten more than
you will ever learn.

That's a big assumption - you don't know much about me or my career.
I seldom even mention my academic and professional life on these groups.

"jamie powell" wrote in message
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"JohnT" wrote in message
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"jamie powell" wrote in message
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I'm 20, and well aware of the older generations' general lack of
technical understanding.


I am in my early 70s and am absolutely sure that I have forgotten more
than you will ever learn.

That's a big assumption - you don't know much about me or my career.
I seldom even mention my academic and professional life on these groups.



No, but I have read some of your outpourings.
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JohnT

Bill Wright wrote:
Why put such captions on the analogue service? It's just going to to put the
wind up the old folk.

Because in the Granada area, in early November, analogue BBC2 will disappear
from many low power relays, to be replaced by a few digital channels. Then
in December all the remaining analogue channels will be replaced by digital.

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Atheist: One who denies, or disbelieves in, the existence of gods.

On 6 Oct, 13:56, J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:43:56 -0700, 2Bdecided wrote:
P.S. and it's not an age thing - it's an attitude thing.

There are several orders of magnitude difference between having a
telephone and having Internet access.

I was comparing the internet now with a telephone 20-30 years ago.

IIRC telephones weren't cheap or quick to get installed 30 years ago,
yet I don't recall people moaning that some BBC programmes expected
(at least some) viewers to phone in.


You are completely ignoring the economics and technical complexity.

To get on the Internet you need a computer, monitor, and aDSL or cable
model plus either a cable or aDSL ISP service. *This all costs a
substantial amount of money to people on limited income.

It's not cheap - maybe not affordable - if you're genuinely poor.

That's partly why it's available for-free in most local libraries.


Furthermore, being able to use a PC is rather more complex than
dialing a telephone, and how many senior (65 plus) people are familiar
with keyboard operation, unless they used to use a typewriter?

.... and clicking a mouse is tricky if you have arthritis ... and some
people can't read ... and and and

But it's not life-or-death information that the BBC is making
available exclusively via the net. What I resent is the implication
that because some people can't access it, it shouldn't be there at
all.

Cheers,
David.

"JohnT" wrote in message
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I am in my early 70s and am absolutely sure that I have forgotten more
than you will ever learn.

That's a big assumption - you don't know much about me or my career.
I seldom even mention my academic and professional life on these groups.


No, but I have read some of your outpourings.

Basically, I'm really smart, and there's nothing you can do about it.