Upgrading Sony iDTV

Andy Burns wrote in
o.uk:

Did you try TT08 - shipping condition?

Doing that did allow it to do the initial digital and analogue scan
after the initial setup (and it found channels ok) but it still refuses
to enable automatic or manual scans from the menu ...

Partial success then I did find with the TT83 toggle set to 8k or 2k+
8k the scan took an age (gave up waiting). When set to 2k it worked fine
(both auto and manual).

Hopefully when it comes to switch over there'll be no need for test modes
or anything, just a rescan and it'll detect all the channels. Hopefully!

D

Well no, they *were* fit for purpose, but now of course they're not.


There were intended for digital TV for which there was a published standard.
If the changes which obsoleted them were already part of the standard, then
they can't use the excuse that "we didn't think anyone would use them". Umm
but as I write this I'm thinking of the number of older TV sets with one 4
buttons - what about channel 5? I suppose we would need to find an early
(i.e. pre-manufacture) statement of intention by the boradcasters to use the
"new" features which was ignored by Sony.

I mean come on, be fair, Suppose the missus compared your performance now
with your performance on your wedding night. She'd say YOU weren't fit for
purpose.

Oh eck - off to check the fine print in the pre-nup ;-).

Paul DS.

I have the same problem but with the Sony KD32DX40U.
My TV locks at 40% when using autotune.

I have contacted Sony today on 08456000124 (Refering to article ID.369 from the Sony=
Europe Website) and their only recomendation is to buy a separate digibox.

When I put it to Sony that when I bought the TV that they stated it to be future proof they=
replied with "Well we couldn't foresee anything like this happening".

They offer no way of upgrading, repairing or re-embursing me in any way for the proble=
m. Over =C2=A31000 of TV suddenly becoming useless.

So I have totally put a veto on myself buying any more Sony items. I have bought many Son=
y minidisc player/recorders, tuners, record players, dvd players over the past few=
years.

This is the first time I have had any problems with anything from Sony but their total r=
efusal to try and fix the problem is just not satisfactory to me.

I am not sure they yet realise how many thousands of people this will affect through th=
e UK. And I'm hoping, like me that everyone else affected will not be buying from Sony a=
gain.

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In message , keith hudson
writes
I have the same problem but with the Sony KD32DX40U.
My TV locks at 40% when using autotune.

I have contacted Sony today on 08456000124 (Refering to article
ID.369 from the Sony Europe Website) and their only recomendation is to
buy a separate digibox.

When I put it to Sony that when I bought the TV that they stated it
to be future proof they replied with "Well we couldn't foresee anything
like this happening".

They offer no way of upgrading, repairing or re-embursing me in any
way for the problem. Over £1000 of TV suddenly becoming useless.

I appreciate that it must be very annoying but, after spending £1000 on
a TV set, I suspect that another £20 for a STB isn't exactly going to
break the bank. You could probably fix the problem this morning if you
wanted to.

So I have totally put a veto on myself buying any more Sony items. I
have bought many Sony minidisc player/recorders, tuners, record
players, dvd players over the past few years.

This is the first time I have had any problems with anything from
Sony but their total refusal to try and fix the problem is just not
satisfactory to me.

If the TV set had been the first thing you had bought, I would probably
agree with your dissatisfaction. But, until now, you've likes Sony, and
been happy with their products. Why 'cut off your nose to spite your
face'.

I am not sure they yet realise how many thousands of people this will
affect through the UK. And I'm hoping, like me that everyone else
affected will not be buying from Sony again.

Well, maybe if they get enough complaints, they will try harder to find
a fix. But maybe there isn't one. Would you be happy if they sent you a
bunch of flowers and a STB?

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Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "keith hudson"
Newsgroups: uk.tech.digital-tv
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: Upgrading Sony iDTV


I have the same problem but with the Sony KD32DX40U.
My TV locks at 40% when using autotune.


Could I suggest doing a manual tune? My brother has a similar telly (28DX30
I think) and - laborious though it is - he did a manual tune through each of
the multiplexes in his area and apparently the tv found all the channels.

They stopped doing over the air updates for these tellys years ago and I
suppose that as they were amongst the first digital tv's, they could only go
by the spec they were given by the time. As there has been a lot of chopping
and changing ever since, I'm not entirely surprised they are no longer up to
scratch.

The software on these models never was especially good anyway as I recall
(very
poor text and EPG too, although great picture). Anyway try a manual retune
and see if that helps.

Mike Henry wrote:

Yes, it's a shameful attitude for them to take. As has been pointed
out, they didn't produce their TVs to the specs, split NIT was always
in the specs, and even very old OnDigital boxes work flawlessly. But
Sony just produced a TV to work with whatever happened to be
broadcast at the time instead of to the specs, and they then produced
software upgrades the first few times they were caught out (such as
BBC Parliament being 1/4 resolution), eventually getting bored and
leaving us all high and dry.

They try to obfuscate their short-cuts by pretending that things have
changed, it couldn't possibly have been foreseen etc - all lies.

It's their behaviour now even more than their short-cuts in the past -
together with the Root Kit scandal - that makes me join you in your
veto.

I wish someone had the resourses and the inclination to take Sony to court.
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keith hudson wrote:
I have the same problem but with the Sony KD32DX40U.
My TV locks at 40% when using autotune.

I have contacted Sony today on 08456000124 (Refering to article ID.369 from the Sony Europe Website) and their only recomendation is to buy a separate digibox.

When I put it to Sony that when I bought the TV that they stated it to be future proof they replied with "Well we couldn't foresee anything like this happening".

They offer no way of upgrading, repairing or re-embursing me in any way for the problem. Over £1000 of TV suddenly becoming useless.

So I have totally put a veto on myself buying any more Sony items. I have bought many Sony minidisc player/recorders, tuners, record players, dvd players over the past few years.

This is the first time I have had any problems with anything from Sony but their total refusal to try and fix the problem is just not satisfactory to me.

I am not sure they yet realise how many thousands of people this will affect through the UK. And I'm hoping, like me that everyone else affected will not be buying from Sony again.

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Does this set not have the latest firmware? I just
did a manual re-tune for the changed channels on my
Mum's set, but I noticed the tables are several
hundred numbers long.

For many years now, I used a PVR as my main tuner with
my analogue widescreen TV. This allows pause, rewind
etc on live TV so is a much better way to view anyway.
I don't know if you'd lose picture quality, though -
the Sony was really excellent.

PS Can anyone with a service manual tell me what it
means when the power LED flashes 4 times red,
continuously, after power on, with sound but no
picture. The Sony did this the day after I re-tuned,
though it was OK again after a return from standby.
Is this anything to do with the re-tune?

And have a drop in picture quality - the inbuilt IDTV1 IDTV2 tuners were
really good - better than external boxes - you could see the difference


I have contacted Sony today on 08456000124 (Refering to article ID.369
from the Sony Europe Website) and their only recomendation is to buy a
separate digibox.

Partial success then I did find with the TT83 toggle set to8kor 2k+8kthe scan took an age (gave up waiting). When set to 2k it worked fine
(both auto and manual).

Have just come across this thread and tried with a DX40, Winter Hill
transmitter (Granada area).

On 2k, with old software (3.21?) tuning is normal speed, but channels
all in wrong order. Can't select channels over 99 either even though
over 100 were stored.

On 8k, very slow tuning but rapid progression when aerial lead
removed. Progression slows when aerial is plugged in again, at
whatever percentage it got up to. Didn't wait for it to finish as it
took so long. No channels found at normal percentages for normally
storing channels. (I think this is the case, but I didn't leave it a
huge amount of time as it took so long)

On 2k+8k, again, very slow, but rapid progression when aerial is
removed. Stations are found, but to save time I pulled aerial out
until percentage was near the one where channels would normally get
stored, then I put the aerial in for a bit.

Conclusions: Adding 8k slows tuning so something is happening at the
tuner level, perhaps different offsets are being looked at so the
tuner takes ages to progress. Removing 2k option stops channels being
found. If Sony say 8k doesn't work then it could be because the
software allows for 8k, but the tuner doesn't (which seems strange),
or that the software just doesn't work as it was never tested. Or it
may be it does work but it is so complicated to get it to work (and
entering the service menus may damage the picture) that Sony have
decided to say it isn't possible for simplicity.

Has anyone in a DSO area tried changing to 8k and retuning?

Mark.

On 10 Oct, 10:14, Mark Coley wrote:

Has anyone in a DSO area tried changing to 8k and retuning?

Our Sony DX150, now with software R4.10(GB), has successfully tuned to
the new 8k multiplex from Winter Hill. Going to the manual tuning
section shows BBC ONE is coming in on UHF 62. We had to pay to have
the upgrade done, and I believe we have hardware version 2.0.
Apparently there is a digital tuner card with version 2.1 in
circulation in some sets, but with different software. The engineer
had to peek through the CI slot to see what was written on the board
so he could insert the correct PCMCIA card.

Mark.