Switch off at the socket?

In message , The Natural Philosopher
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If the load goes up, the generators across the country slow down, the
frequency drops and so does the voltage. Hot standby units, basically
idling at full grid frequency, but not actually delivering power, can
have the steam valves cranked open, and start to add their bit.
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I've heard it alleged that the biggest d(demand) by d(time) was at the
end of the 1966 international match, when a significant proportion of
the nation went from watching TV (only three channels, two of which were
showing the match, and sport had more of a hold then) to turning on 3kW+
kettles, and probably a few lights (and probably didn't turn off their
300W tellies either) in a very few seconds. I'd like to see some film of
the demand meters for that time ...
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"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
Jerry wrote:

and it will be YOU who
gets shown up as a 'eccentric crank' at best and an out and out
hapless cretin at worst - all recorded in the annuals of the
Google groups achieve!

In the what of the what?

sigh education today.


He means annals and archives.

I only posted this to give him a clue.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Norman Wells wrote:


Wrong. You're working from his equation, assuming that it applies to
all events involving energy transfer when it doesn't.

Ah. So Einsteins theory of relativity is not applicable to anything
and everything in the world?

Depends which bit of it you're talking about. His formula e=mc^2 certainly
isn't though.

DO tell. The scientific community is waiting with bated breath to
hear this.

No they're not. They know it already.

In message , The Natural Philosopher
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[lots of really good stuff - basically, nuclear is a lot better than
it's made out to be - snipped]

WE don't need to use any wind. Its an appalingly inefficient way to
generate usable power. It has no real justification beyond seeming to
the naive, to be a green solution to a real problem. In reality its no
solution at all, but it gets the greenies of peoples backs whilst they
work on real solutions.

I think that's a _bit_ harsh. Sure, in terms of setup energy costs (e.
g. making the concrete), as well as running efficiencies, it's not
great; however, since it is in effect free, I don't think it should be
dismissed. (Especially if the return-on-investment time can be reduced,
as suggested in some article about a new - Chinese, of course - design
someone posted a link to here has any validity; I think ROI time is the
big killer of wind power at the moment.)
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In message , Jerry
writes:
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take into account different fuels and inflation etc.). Of course
if we were careless as to how we used the heating in that
Victorian house, such as allowing the house fabric to cool down,
it cost a fortune to reheat or keep to the constant 68 deg C we
desired. I would also point out that the upper 3rd floor was
heated solely by convection from the lower floors, only in the
depth of winter did we need to boost the heating in those rooms
with an alternate heat source.
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I hope you meant 68F, or I won't be coming to visit any time soon ...
(-:
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In message , Zero Tolerance
writes:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:48:29 +0100, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

If the whole of the UK sank overnight, never to inconvenience another
electron, China's increase in electricity generation at present rates would
negate that in under a year.

There are some *hoary* old chestnuts coming out in this debate.

"It's not worth taking any action, ever, because China cancels it all
out, always" is, if you will forgive me saying so, not the freshest of
arguments.

No. However, just because it isn't new, doesn't mean it should not be
given the attention it deserves. How much attention that is, I leave to
the reader; my own opinion is that we should not use it as an excuse to
do nothing, but equally we should do the sums (many people run away
shrieking at this point) properly to assess whether many of the
suggestions are worth following (where "worth" includes quality of life
as well as pure energy).
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On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:10:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Norman Wells wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
So, how do propose to test your explanation that raising the weight in a
clock increases its mass?

I don't.

Its up to you to prove that it doesn't.

To be fair, surely a scientific claim should be supported by evidence,
rather than a requirement to "prove it's not true".
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In message , The Natural Philosopher
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If Darwinian survival consists in being a Vicki Carr, then that's what
we will be like.

Sadly, the BNP are supported by the Vicki Carrs of this world. Now if
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I'm unfamiliar with this expression: to me, Vicki (sp?) Carr was a torch
singer of whom my mother was fond, so I don't get the connection.
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Norman Wells wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Norman Wells wrote:


Wrong. You're working from his equation, assuming that it applies to
all events involving energy transfer when it doesn't.

Ah. So Einsteins theory of relativity is not applicable to anything
and everything in the world?

Depends which bit of it you're talking about. His formula e=mc^2
certainly isn't though.

Oh dear

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...i?artid=336961


DO tell. The scientific community is waiting with bated breath to
hear this.

No they're not. They know it already.

In message , J G Miller
writes:
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:13:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

The end of growth as we know it, and it nearly crashed the worlds
financial systenm.

No, what crashed the world's financial systems was the selling on of
domestic mortgage debt which had been generated from banks loaning out
money to people who did not and would never have the means to repay
the loan.

Actually, lending to people who can't pay back is not as financially
daft as it sounds - AS LONG AS you are fairly certain that the price of
what they're borrowing to buy (in this case property) is going to
continue to rise, or at least not fall. Because: when they default, you
get what they _have_ managed to pay, plus the property back to sell.
Cruel and cynical, but lending to those who can't pay is not of itself
financially unsound: it's only lending on something that suddenly
_falls_ in value that is.

Which, of course, we can say with hindsight, was inevitable. (And even,
IMO, to the greater benefit of society as a whole - I don't think
property prices rising above inflation is a good thing as such, though
it obviously benefits those who own some.) But a year or more ago, there
were still plenty of pundits who were saying property prices will rise
forever.
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