Switch off at the socket?

"DVDfever" wrote in message
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It's amazing that some people go, "Ooh, I'm so green that I unplug all
of my TVs, PC, Sky- whatever" but if you ask them to unplug their
fridge and freezer and nooooooooooooooooooo, they won't. Green, my
arse!

My ex boss bought some frozen sea food from a shop in Portugal that turned
their freezers off overnight. His family were very ill, prompting him to
discover why...

You can tell that I'm not pleased ...

OK, but do you really want a drab, dreary, joyless world where nobody
celebrates anything in case it generates some CO2? Where we leave our homes
unheated?

Do you really want every fountain switched off? Christmas trees with no
lights? Every light in every city switched off, apart from basic street
lights?

Should we close down the cinemas, the museums and the art galleries? They
generate CO2, you know.

Do you want to live in the 18th century (but without any coal, of course)?

I hate the very thought of such a drab world, I'll tell you that for sure.

SteveT

"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
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PeterC wrote:

My TV is 0.9W; the digibox is 9W (with a PF of 0.45!) so
well worth switching off.

Perhaps manufacturers should be required to specify
standy power consumption.
I've been surprised how much difference I have found
eg between different computer monitors.

They usually do these days.

But some only quote for the ultra power saving mode that has limited
capability - for example STBs not allowing RF or SCART passthrough (e.g.
Humax 9150/9300).

Some don't say what they mean by standby - for a printer does that mean that
it is visibly on but not actually printing - or just that the unit is
connected to the mains?

Hi-fi amplifiers should quote the quiescent consumption as well as the full
power consumption as they will very rarely be peaking.

--
Max Demian

Zimmy wrote:

You are assuming that those 45W of electricity are converted to 45W of
heat with 100% efficiency which is clearly not true.


We can all warm ourselves up on your ears now!

There _are_losses with using electricity for heating. It doesn't matter
what you do with it once it's inside the house (unless you shine a big
light out of the window or something like that) as pretty well
everything that comes in on the wire will end up warming the house.

The losses are all in the generating plant and the transmission system.
These losses come to maybe 2/3 of the energy used. This is likely to
be a lot less than the losses in your gas boiler - so it's better to
heat with gas.


Andy

I thought it was more environmentally friendly to keep using the old
stuff ...

That's a very important point and rarely given proper consideration. It
uses CO2 to make a new appliance and ship it half way round the world.

The problem is, it's almost impossible to get reliable figures. The
estimates for how much CO2 is produced to make a car vary over a ratio of
ten to one.

But it may very well be the case that continuing to drive an old Jag at
22mpg is actually greener than buying a brand new Prius.

SteveT

"Halmyre" wrote in message
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On 14 Sep, 23:30, Mike Swift wrote:
In article
.com, NT writes
I wonder what the residents of Blackpool use as a comparative
reference when they want to comment on levels of illumination?

They say, "Lit up like the illuminations."

Bill

wrote:
On 14 Sep, 23:30, Mike Swift wrote:


Have you ever driven through most towns late at night, the shops are
lit up like Blackpool illuminations, and they want us to switch off
at the power socket.

Appreciated, but as the son of a former independent retailer, (not
Trotters!), there are sadly reasons for this. Damage caused to premises,
(ignoring effluvia to be cleared the morning after); time not spent
retailing whilst trying secure premises and deal with insurance claims.
Insurance premiums go so high that it kills the business.

The costs and efforts to make additionally secure premises when Insurance
Cos. charge such high premiums that insurance is not viable.

We are not allowed to use the birch today at their formative stages. At
their most capable stages we are not allowed to deprive them of too much
freedom allowing them to create further generations that destroy the efforts
of those that strive to be useful citizens and destroy their initiatives.

I have not gone on to the local High Street at night at the weekend for the
last 25 years (with one exception) due to the threat that I think it
imposes. I'm fearful when my children go out with just reason due to the
verbal threats and physical damage they have experienced.

I am not advocating excessive lighting, but questioning why we do not sort
out those that destroy communities. Personally, ignoring which current party
is in power, a major problem is the existence of the CPS which ensures that
the regularly law abiding citizen that has a motoring incident, (or
similar), is prosecuted when the CPS will not take to court those that need
to be, (Joe Thug that has been done x times before and knows how to avoid
the ropes), "evidence was insufficient" said the CPS. Just frustrates the
Police and society.

It should never have been brought into existence in the early 70s. Totally
unnecessary, counterproductive and has ensured that the legal profession can
find a way to gain income and create injustice.

Sorry for the rant.

It's not just town and city centres. Our local councillors are
trumpeting about their reaction to a suggestion that a tree in the
area be lit up at night. They think they've triumphed by providing
different coloured lights on the tree according to the season. The
formal switching on was the other night.

We've just completed a questionnaire put out by the council about
saving power and telling us to save money by turning down the heating
by one degree. We can't, it won't go any lower than 10C. Yet they've
spent our money on the installation of these lights as well as the
running costs.

You can tell that I'm not pleased ...

Mary

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange

In article , Clot wrote:
I am not advocating excessive lighting, but questioning why we do not sort
out those that destroy communities. Personally, ignoring which current party
is in power, a major problem is the existence of the CPS which ensures that
the regularly law abiding citizen that has a motoring incident, (or
similar), is prosecuted when the CPS will not take to court those that need
to be, (Joe Thug that has been done x times before and knows how to avoid
the ropes), "evidence was insufficient" said the CPS. Just frustrates the
Police and society.

I understand your frustration, but allowing people to be prosecuted with
insufficient evidence would destroy communities just as effectively as any
thug, because it would remove any last vestige of respect for the law.

Rod.
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"Paul Hyett" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 at 14:43:54, alexander.keys1
wrote in uk.media.tv.misc :

There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy
due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are
on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to
save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy-
saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a
'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is
zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV
receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always
switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer
appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk.

Congratulations - you must be the only person in the country who enjoys
reprogramming their VCR/DVD recorder every day...
--
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

All my VCRs just get the time from the text automatically. Of course that
will soon end.

Bill

Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Clot wrote:
I am not advocating excessive lighting, but questioning why we do
not sort out those that destroy communities. Personally, ignoring
which current party is in power, a major problem is the existence of
the CPS which ensures that the regularly law abiding citizen that
has a motoring incident, (or similar), is prosecuted when the CPS
will not take to court those that need to be, (Joe Thug that has
been done x times before and knows how to avoid the ropes),
"evidence was insufficient" said the CPS. Just frustrates the Police
and society.

I understand your frustration, but allowing people to be prosecuted
with insufficient evidence would destroy communities just as
effectively as any thug, because it would remove any last vestige of
respect for the law.

Readily accepted if insufficient evidence was the reason. I suspect that in
most cases, this amounts to "too difficult" and if the wily known villian
was to get off then CPS stats are damaged.