Pace Twin questions

I have a Pace Twin and I have read reports of them failing after DSO.

Does anyone actually know the truth?

On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:44:02 +0100, "Martin" wrote:

I have a Pace Twin and I have read reports of them failing after DSO.

Does anyone actually know the truth?

Yes, They will not work after DSO.

A list of TVs and STB that will not work after DSO is on the official
Digital UK website at:
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...d-7_May_09.pdf

The problem is with a change in a characteristic of the transmitted
signals from "2k" to "8k". Some TVs and STBs are designed to handle
this, others are not.

The list shows those that can be upgraded to cope and those that cannot.
The blame lies with the manufacturers. It is not a case of old boxes
failing and new ones working. Some of the oldest can be upgraded while
some of the newer ones (6 years newer) cannot.

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Peter Duncanson
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DTVA listed, Twin is not


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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:44:02 +0100, "Martin" wrote:

I have a Pace Twin and I have read reports of them failing after DSO.

Does anyone actually know the truth?

Yes, They will not work after DSO.

A list of TVs and STB that will not work after DSO is on the official
Digital UK website at:
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...d-7_May_09.pdf

The problem is with a change in a characteristic of the transmitted
signals from "2k" to "8k". Some TVs and STBs are designed to handle
this, others are not.

The list shows those that can be upgraded to cope and those that cannot.
The blame lies with the manufacturers. It is not a case of old boxes
failing and new ones working. Some of the oldest can be upgraded while
some of the newer ones (6 years newer) cannot.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:10:40 +0100, "Martin" wrote:

DTVA listed, Twin is not


Sorry, my mistake.

There is a discussion about the Pace Twin after DSO at:
http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051058F

There is a question by John Pettifer (a bit more than half way down the
page.

I live near Redruth where the switchover is is progress. Mux 1
stopped on 8 July 09 and its channels are now on mux BBC A. All the
channels play fine on my Pace PVR but they no longer record properly
on the HD. Other Muxes record OK. I see that BBC A is now in 64 QAM
mode[1] while other muxes remain in 16 QAM until they change on 5
August. I fear that the the Pace PVR (which was one of the earlier
PVRs) may not be designed to record on mode 64 QAM. Might this be
the case? Any comments welcome.
Posted by John Pettifer (7 posts) on Tuesday 28 July 2009 8:50PM

[1] The reference to 64 QAM is a mistake. The crucial difference is
between 2k and 8k. This dealt with later in that thread.

Then mo

The Pace PVR is not on the list of boxes that do not support the 8k
mode ..., but perhaps it should be. I have checked with Pace who say
the box should function in both 2k and 8k mode but they say they
have not tested it in any areas where digital switchover has
occurred. Their only suggestion was to try attenuating the signal,
which I have tried right down to the "no signal display" level but
without success.
Posted by John Pettifer


John Pettifer: Am I correct in understanding that the Pace "Twin"
PVR will tune into the channels, but refuses to record them to the
hard drive?
Posted by Briantist (13,748 posts) on Tuesday 11 August 2009


Briantist: That's right. All channels tune in and can be watched
live with no problem.
When I try to record the machine gives the indications of recording
properly, but when I go to playback it either shows "empty" or shows
something which plays back in a very jerky and fragmented manner
with lengthy freezes. Recordings on the HDD from pre-switchover days
still play fine.
Incidentally, there seems no problem with signal strength. I
normally use a roof aerial, but have also tried a very basic
internal (loop) aerial and found it quite adequate for live viewing.
Many thanks for your interest.
Posted by John Pettifer (7 posts) on Tuesday 11 August 2009 11:10PM

There has been nothing further in this discussion since Sunday 16 August
2009. The problem appears to be unresolved.

It seems that John Pettifer is not alone:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...&postcount=333

Is the Pace Twin 8K COFDM upgradeable?

There are reports of users in the West Country whose machines are no
longer working correctly after the DSO... and the transition to 8K
mode.

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lots of useful snipped

Thanks

No confirmed results but looks like record will not.

This leaves me with a quandary.

We holiday were DSO has happened. But live in one of the last DSO regions.

Our caravan TV (W/S computer monitor) is analogue/Scart/VGA only

Only portable digital tuner is not compatible.

Don't take a TV - well it is nice to watch 1/2 hour or so before bed,
breakfast news is nice in the area you are at, and weather - may need to
change plans.

I am really hoping there is a DVB-T2 PVR available by May or that Pace (fat
chance) release a fix, or I get a decent non DVB-T2 PVR.

Already have my DTVA ready for the car boot!

The amount of digital equipment I have had not compatible with DSO is
scarey.

Sold a TV last year, got a PVR, an unused box, and quite likely the loan
dodgy box pre CAM would have failed as well.

Well what a mess that file is. Its some sort of table, but the idiots who
made it have not thought to tag the reading order so, when using access
software, you infer the reading order from the document, which makes it read
all muddled up.

So, if anyone can read it properly, can they tell me if the Netgem Iplayer
which was made specially for the blind with spoken ids for stations will
work?

Brian

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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:44:02 +0100, "Martin" wrote:

I have a Pace Twin and I have read reports of them failing after DSO.

Does anyone actually know the truth?

Yes, They will not work after DSO.

A list of TVs and STB that will not work after DSO is on the official
Digital UK website at:
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...d-7_May_09.pdf

The problem is with a change in a characteristic of the transmitted
signals from "2k" to "8k". Some TVs and STBs are designed to handle
this, others are not.

The list shows those that can be upgraded to cope and those that cannot.
The blame lies with the manufacturers. It is not a case of old boxes
failing and new ones working. Some of the oldest can be upgraded while
some of the newer ones (6 years newer) cannot.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Hi again, add to the mix it appears that they are using asterisks to denote
the position of yes and no, but no placeholder for the null column and as
its not a real table, just a kind of spaced out one, you have no idea which
column the asterisks are in.

Brian

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Well what a mess that file is. Its some sort of table, but the idiots who
made it have not thought to tag the reading order so, when using access
software, you infer the reading order from the document, which makes it
read all muddled up.

So, if anyone can read it properly, can they tell me if the Netgem Iplayer
which was made specially for the blind with spoken ids for stations will
work?

Brian

--
Brian Gaff -
Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name may be lost.
Blind user, so no pictures please!
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:44:02 +0100, "Martin" wrote:

I have a Pace Twin and I have read reports of them failing after DSO.

Does anyone actually know the truth?

Yes, They will not work after DSO.

A list of TVs and STB that will not work after DSO is on the official
Digital UK website at:
http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/__data/as...d-7_May_09.pdf

The problem is with a change in a characteristic of the transmitted
signals from "2k" to "8k". Some TVs and STBs are designed to handle
this, others are not.

The list shows those that can be upgraded to cope and those that cannot.
The blame lies with the manufacturers. It is not a case of old boxes
failing and new ones working. Some of the oldest can be upgraded while
some of the newer ones (6 years newer) cannot.

--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:47:11 GMT, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Well what a mess that file is. Its some sort of table, but the idiots who
made it have not thought to tag the reading order so, when using access
software, you infer the reading order from the document, which makes it read
all muddled up.

So, if anyone can read it properly, can they tell me if the Netgem Iplayer
which was made specially for the blind with spoken ids for stations will
work?

The Netgem Iplayer is not on the list.
This means that whoever created the list has not heard of any problem
with the Iplayer regarding DSO.

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Peter Duncanson
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So, if anyone can read it properly, can they tell me if the Netgem Iplayer
which was made specially for the blind with spoken ids for stations will
work?

Brian


I receive Freeview from Stockland Hill which switched over back in May and
my four Netgem iPlayers continue to work fine after DSO. I have the
standard version which I upgraded with the spoken ids software that was
available from Netgem's website.