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In message , Java Jive
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Which is exactly the point. To read a short top-posted mail, I can
remain in the navigation pane and use the cursor keys to move to each
unread post, and immediately read its text in the text pane, but to
read a bottom-posted one, I have to click or tab across to the text
pane, scroll past history that I've read before, far too often just to
read a single bottom-posted line.


To read a single bottom-posted line, surely all you have to do is to hit
'Ctrl-End'? Unless the poster of the one-liner has a signature occupying
a ridiculous number of lines, the one-line post is literally staring you
in the face.

Of course, what you don't know is whether it really IS a one-liner.
There may be other replies interspersed above. However, with
top-posting, you wouldn't see these either. To ensure that you don't
miss any interspersed replies, it's safer to Page Down to the end (or,
with my news reader, Space Bar works too).
--
Ian

yep.

Java Jive wrote:
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Which is exactly the point. To read a short top-posted mail, I can
remain in the navigation pane and use the cursor keys to move to each
unread post, and immediately read its text in the text pane, but to
read a bottom-posted one, I have to click or tab across to the text
pane, scroll past history that I've read before, far too often just to
read a single bottom-posted line.

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In message , Java Jive
writes

Ah! So now you're trying to move the goalposts and turn this into an
anti-Microsoft sub-thread, which I take to mean you've run out of
arguments, even unconvincing ones.

The goal posts for logic are immoveable. I've written about
24 novels and have always written THE END at the end of a story.

--
James Follett. Http://www.pbase.com/jamesfollett
updated to include 'Wings' air and vehicle show pictures at
Dunsfold. http://www.jamesfollett.dswilliams.co.uk

On 05/09/2009 in message Java
Jive wrote:

Which is exactly the point. To read a short top-posted mail, I can
remain in the navigation pane and use the cursor keys to move to each
unread post, and immediately read its text in the text pane, but to
read a bottom-posted one, I have to click or tab across to the text
pane, scroll past history that I've read before, far too often just to
read a single bottom-posted line.

But you are using Agent, probably one of the best news readers around. The
space bar and the 'N' key are the quickest way to navigate posts surely?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 11:13:01 +0100, Java Jive wrote:

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Which is exactly the point. To read a short top-posted mail, I can
remain in the navigation pane and use the cursor keys to move to each
unread post, and immediately read its text in the text pane, but to
read a bottom-posted one, I have to click or tab across to the text
pane, scroll past history that I've read before, far too often just to
read a single bottom-posted line.

And therein lies the nub of the problem. Netiquette is all about showing
good manners to other people, not about what happens to make your life
easier because you happen to use one particular news client.



--
The Wanderer

Inertia keeps me going!

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:13:02 +0100, The Wanderer wrote:


And therein lies the nub of the problem. Netiquette is all about showing
good manners to other people, not about what happens to make your life
easier because you happen to use one particular news client.

No, herein lies the rub. "Netiquette is all about showing good manners to other
people". You Sir, are sadly a dying breed.

"Java Jive" wrote in message
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:18:19 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

You must positively love MS, then.

Actually, I'm using Agent.

Change purely for the sake of change
and to hell with compatibility - even with their own products.

That is certainly true of MS, as I myself have often said so here, but
it's totally irrelevant here.

Its also untrue.
M$ change stuff for a reason.
You may not like the reason but it is always for a reason.

Tell me just what has changed over the years in a simple text based
medium such as this? The answer is nothing.

That is obviously and unarguably untrue.

That is also untrue.
While to the vast number of people that can manage with the rather limited
languages ASCII supports there are a lot that can't.
These need readers that can do more than a bit of ASCII text, hence the
continual development in readers.

As I pointed out in my post
above, the GUI has changed radically. The problem is that people
haven't adjusted their behaviour to suit.

It was designed to be used on
the simplest of computers world wide on any OS - but of course that would
be a red rag to Gates.

Ah! So now you're trying to move the goalposts and turn this into an
anti-Microsoft sub-thread, which I take to mean you've run out of
arguments, even unconvincing ones.

Nobody has a convincing argument about this.
HTML posts are much easier to read and to quote and are also plain text
(they don't use any special characters) but you will get a lot of flack from
the ones that don't like change if you use HTML.


Life is too short for this, it's easier just to plonk you.

That is the normal response when someone has no logical argument they can
win with.
That and abuse.

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:34:52 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

Exactly, and that applies to EVERYONE. So why don't you and others
stop wasting everyone's time complaining about top-posting?
However much I may wish that people wouldn't bottom post,

Are you starting reading from the bottom and end at the top?
I don't.

Don't top post.

In article ,
Java Jive wrote:
It was designed to be used on the simplest of computers world wide on
any OS - but of course that would be a red rag to Gates.

Ah! So now you're trying to move the goalposts and turn this into an
anti-Microsoft sub-thread, which I take to mean you've run out of
arguments, even unconvincing ones.

No - just comparing him unfavourably to you - since you patently don't
understand the idea of a low bandwidth text only service that can be used
by any computer on even dial up at low cost. By all your talk of using
HTML, etc, elsewhere.

Life is too short for this, it's easier just to plonk you.

Please do. Wonder why you think anyone cares who you killfile? Says quite
a bit about you.

--
*Why is the word abbreviation so long? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Paul Martin" wrote in message
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In article ,
[email protected] wrote:

HTML posts are much easier to read and to quote

That's just so wrong...

and are also plain text
(they don't use any special characters) but you will get a lot of flack
from
the ones that don't like change if you use HTML.

HTML is unnecessary markup which usually far exceeds the text in size.
HTML quoting forces your idea of how things ought to look on me, even
if I have different preferences.

Absolute rubbish.
It is *your* reader that decides how to display it and the sender cannot
force anything on you.
If you want to your reader can just extract the text and ignore everything.


Usenet is words without markup.

That is also rubbish.
If it doesn't have mark up why are my quotes marked with "".
Quoting the replies is using a mark up language, just a very simple one that
is frequently screwed up as the opening quote is "" and the end is nl
both of which frequently occur in other places.

RTF is plain text too, as is LaTeX.
Should I arbitrarily start posting in LaTeX markup? Oh but your reader
doesn't understand it. Well, my reader doesn't understand HTML either.

My reader can cope with latex.
I can just shove your posts through a program to convert them.