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In message , james
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My job depends on it. I don't profess to be a brilliant thinker; the
reason my mediocre cognitive ability has made me a millionaire is
because so many are worse thinkers than I am.

That was a crass, insensitive an very unEnglish remark I made. Please
accept my profuse apologies if it upset or annoyed anyone. It certainly
annoyed me! JF

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:47:41 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I am interested to know under what circumstances snipping is totally
not practical, rather than just requiring a little more effort.

The circumstances I was envisaging was for those who lacked the physical
abilities and perhaps enabling software which would allow them to do this
in a quick and easy manner compared to a fully abled user.

A computer user with eg no hands and merely voice recognition software would
I think find it perhaps too time consuming and frustrating to give speech
commands to edit a long message rather than just posting a summary without
quoting the previous article.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

It's easy enough to change OE to work in the conventional manner - and
that shouldn't effect your use of it.

OE works in the correct manner.. sort of.
It puts the cursor at the top ready for you to start snipping.
Readers that put it at the bottom discourage snipping.

There used to be a problem with auto inserting sigs but I think that has
been fixed in WLM which is the updated version of OE.
OE has not been supported or fixed for ages.

--
sigs are a waste of space.

In article ,
Java Jive wrote:
I'm disappointed in you Dave - we've had our technical disagreements
in the past, but this is beneath your character.

I've a feeling that Brian is perfectly capable for standing up for himself
and posted on that basis.

1) Why should anyone, who is already unfortunate enough to be
severely disadvantaged, be bullied (that is what this thread is
doing), into making life more difficult for themselves than already it
is?

Because it's my belief that Brian simply prefers top posting - regardless.
If he'd like to deny this, I'll apologise to him.

2) Blind or not, it easiest (and most stable) to use OE (and this
version of Agent for that matter) as it works by default.

That's simply not so.

This is how the vast majority of people start to use it, and, if they
were honest, probably would prefer to continue using it, if only
bottom-posting extremist fanatics would stop bombing usenet, and just
accept that it's everyone's democratic right to post as they please.

Perhaps you'd like to drive on the right of the road too - if it suits you?
Rules for a civilised society may not suit everyone - but most accept
rules make sense. A free for all benefits none.

--
*Is there another word for synonym?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , James wrote:
Actually the issue of correct posting to the Usenet was the subject of a
paper published by the Tavistock Institute about seven or eight years
ago. If they've got a website, it can probably be found.

The authors' findings were that the reason why many people have
difficulty understanding the incredibly simple guidelines on posting is
because many schools don't teach that most important subject of all:
philosophy. Many people are not being taught how to think. Arranging
thoughts logically does require training of the mind. At its simplest
this is writing a letter. A letter of complaint, for example, does
require a marshalling of thoughts, arranging of facts, and then pinning
them down on paper in a coherent manner.

In English lessons at school we'd sometime do an exercise called
"Comprehension", where we'd be given a page or so of text about some
subject or other and then have to answer questions about it. We could
answer the questions with the text in front of us, which made me wonder
what the point of it was because it seemed to require no intellectual
capacity at all, just the ability to read and write.

And yet, some people seemed to find it difficult...

Rod.
--
Virtual Access V6.3 free usenet/email software from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtual-access/

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:27:40 GMT, Roderick Stewart commented

In English lessons at school we'd sometime do an exercise called
"Comprehension", where we'd be given a page or so of text about some
subject or other and then have to answer questions about it. We could
answer the questions with the text in front of us, which made me wonder
what the point of it was because it seemed to require no intellectual
capacity at all, just the ability to read and write.

And yet, some people seemed to find it difficult...

There was a third ability required, one so simple you didn't even realise
you were using it - the ability to extract meaning from text.
In other word - comprehension.

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[email protected] wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

It's easy enough to change OE to work in the conventional manner - and
that shouldn't effect your use of it.

OE works in the correct manner.. sort of.
It puts the cursor at the top ready for you to start snipping.
Readers that put it at the bottom discourage snipping.

There used to be a problem with auto inserting sigs but I think that has
been fixed in WLM which is the updated version of OE.
OE has not been supported or fixed for ages.


FFS. If someone has something interesting to say, they can side post for
all I care

In article ,
Java Jive wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:18:47 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

I've a feeling that Brian is perfectly capable for standing up for
himself and posted on that basis.

Because sensible people don't care, it's mostly only the job's worths,
that like dictating to others how to lead their lives, who complain
about this issue. The result is, regardless of how capable any one
person is of defending themselves, there is a ganging up of many
against one or a few, and the effect, however unintended it may be, is
that of bullying.

You're entitled to your opinion.

Because it's my belief that Brian simply prefers top posting -
regardless. If he'd like to deny this, I'll apologise to him.

What the f*ck is it to you that he does? It's a personal decision,
and no business of yours.

Then WTF is it to do with you? Some sort of Robin Hood, are you? Or does
it make you feel superior 'sticking up' for a blind man who is perfectly
capable of speaking for himself?

--
*Black holes are where God divided by zero *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message , Java Jive
writes
Plonk!

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:29:41 +0100, geoff wrote:

So let him put the words "blind ****" in his sig then

Another top posting plonker down ...

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bumsnase

In article ,
Java Jive wrote:
Brian's posting habits are nothing to do with me, but unfortunately I
read your public accusation of him, and was disgusted by it.

Accusation? Did I say he was a child molester or something?
Go and find something real to worry about.

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:29:03 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Then WTF is it to do with you?

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*It is easier to get older than it is to get wiser.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.