You and Yours

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:19:57 +0100, Paul D.Smith wrote:

...snip...

Ummm, aren't the massive subsidies for "green" energy generation real,
with an impact on electricity prices?

Yes they've done that, because its disguised. It isn't shown as a
seperate item on the leccy bill.

Arthur Scargill used to claim that with the subsidies given to Nuclear
diverted to coal, he could have placed a £10 note in each bag of coal
and still shown a profit.

That might have been true. Today we have the same nonsense with the
massive subsidies given to makers and operators of wind turbines. No
wind turbine is actually cost effective - it has to be supported by
subsidy because it won't generate enough power in its lifetime to pay
back the construction, transportation and installation costs. However,
the "government" love them - it's a very obvious way to appear "green" to
the majority of this intellectually challenged nation...

Christopher Hunter wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:45 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

2Bdecided wrote:

Anyway, horses for courses - use the terrestrial broadcasts for live
listening in the car - but enjoy the higher quality and increased
choice of internet radio around the house. and garden. and office. and
hotel room. and... anywhere else there's an internet connection!
Make sure you don't go over your download limit though, and most
'unlimited' ADSL internet packages are only available from LLU ISPs, and
they only exist at larger exchanges. There's only one unlimited non-LLU
ASDL service I'm aware of, and that's O2's 'Access' package:-

http://broadband.o2.co.uk/home/findmore.jsp

22 Quid/month or 17/m if you already have an O2 phone.

(uk.telecom.broadband added to cross post)

The other option is Be Pro (also part of O2) - appears to be (to all
intents and purposes) unlimited.

It is, but the original point I was making, is only available on larger LLU'd
(aka unbundled) exchanges.


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Richard Evans wrote:
Paul Ratcliffe wrote:


I think I get a little multipath distortion at home, but I only notice
when I listen on my hi-fi. It does seem to take the edge of the sound
quality, but the effect is so slight that on anything other than a good
hi-fi, you just don't notice it.

Listen to the GTS pips, if you have any multi-p that'll show it up.

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"Christopher Hunter" wrote in
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:45 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

2Bdecided wrote:

Anyway, horses for courses - use the terrestrial broadcasts for
live
listening in the car - but enjoy the higher quality and increased
choice of internet radio around the house. and garden. and office.
and
hotel room. and... anywhere else there's an internet connection!

Make sure you don't go over your download limit though, and most
'unlimited' ADSL internet packages are only available from LLU
ISPs, and
they only exist at larger exchanges. There's only one unlimited
non-LLU
ASDL service I'm aware of, and that's O2's 'Access' package:-

http://broadband.o2.co.uk/home/findmore.jsp

22 Quid/month or 17/m if you already have an O2 phone.

(uk.telecom.broadband added to cross post)

The other option is Be Pro (also part of O2) - appears to be (to all
intents and purposes) unlimited.


The other option? What, so there's only a couple of unlimited
broadband packages? Think not:

http://www.top10-broadband.co.uk/packages/

Oh, and Be do Be Value and Be Unlimited, both of which are unlimited
and cheaper than Be Pro:

https://www.bethere.co.uk/web/beportal/homepage


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"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

On 20 Aug 2009 00:25:52 GMT, Christopher Hunter
wrote:

No wind turbine is actually cost effective - it has to be supported by
subsidy because it won't generate enough power in its lifetime to pay
back the construction, transportation and installation costs.

Energy, not power.

In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
I think I get a little multipath distortion at home, but I only notice
when I listen on my hi-fi. It does seem to take the edge of the sound
quality, but the effect is so slight that on anything other than a
good hi-fi, you just don't notice it.

Listen to the GTS pips, if you have any multi-p that'll show it up.

Yup. Even quite severe multipath which shows up badly on the pips and
decent speech can go unnoticed on much pop music.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Mark Carver wrote:
I think I get a little multipath distortion at home, but I only notice
when I listen on my hi-fi. It does seem to take the edge of the sound
quality, but the effect is so slight that on anything other than a
good hi-fi, you just don't notice it.

Listen to the GTS pips, if you have any multi-p that'll show it up.

Yup. Even quite severe multipath which shows up badly on the pips and
decent speech can go unnoticed on much pop music.

when fed through the echo chamber at TC they sounded wonderfull - Big Ben
even more so.

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In article ,
Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On 20 Aug 2009 00:25:52 GMT, Christopher Hunter
wrote:

No wind turbine is actually cost effective - it has to be supported by
subsidy because it won't generate enough power in its lifetime to pay
back the construction, transportation and installation costs.

Energy, not power.

Perhaps you could arrange for all the power stations to be renamed, then?

Battersea Energy Producing Facility trips off the tongue so much better.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
charles wrote:
Yup. Even quite severe multipath which shows up badly on the pips and
decent speech can go unnoticed on much pop music.

when fed through the echo chamber at TC they sounded wonderfull - Big Ben
even more so.

I remember it being almost a hanging offence routing tone through a plate
at TC. Never did understand the theory of that one - unless certain
musical instruments were also banned. ;-)

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

In article ,
Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On 20 Aug 2009 00:25:52 GMT, Christopher Hunter
wrote:

No wind turbine is actually cost effective - it has to be
supported by
subsidy because it won't generate enough power in its lifetime to
pay
back the construction, transportation and installation costs.

Energy, not power.

Perhaps you could arrange for all the power stations to be renamed,
then?

Battersea Energy Producing Facility trips off the tongue so much
better.


Power = energy per second. So if you're talking about what a wind
turbine outputs *over its lifetime* (i.e. over a duration of TIME)
then you should refer to the amount of energy it produces, not to the
amount of power, which you'd expect to be pretty constant over its
lifetime.



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Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report