You and Yours

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rs_14_08_2009/

I'm surprised that you hounds haven't leapt upon this and devoured it. Go to
the 47 minute point and marvel at the sheer bloody cheek of the bloke,
telling the most outrageous lies about DAB and FM. A total morass of
misinformation. What the chuff is a '£25 adaptor'?

Bill

On Aug 15, 12:41*am, "Bill Wright"
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rs_14_08_2009/

I'm surprised that you hounds haven't leapt upon this and devoured it. Go to
the 47 minute point and marvel at the sheer bloody cheek of the bloke,
telling the most outrageous lies about DAB and FM. A total morass of
misinformation. What the chuff is a '£25 adaptor'?

Bill

I don't know what else it was on about, but when your google is
unbroken you'll see a few adaptors at / under the 25 quid mark:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...html?t=1369515

"seani" wrote in message
...
On Aug 15, 12:41 am, "Bill Wright"
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rs_14_08_2009/

I'm surprised that you hounds haven't leapt upon this and devoured it. Go
to
the 47 minute point and marvel at the sheer bloody cheek of the bloke,
telling the most outrageous lies about DAB and FM. A total morass of
misinformation. What the chuff is a '£25 adaptor'?

Bill

I don't know what else it was on about, but when your google is
unbroken you'll see a few adaptors at / under the 25 quid mark:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...html?t=1369515

I have seen them in Halfords.

and is it adaptors or adapters... I am never sure.

"Kurt Ayres" wrote in message

"seani" wrote in message
...
On Aug 15, 12:41 am, "Bill Wright"
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rs_14_08_2009/

I'm surprised that you hounds haven't leapt upon this and devoured
it. Go
to
the 47 minute point and marvel at the sheer bloody cheek of the
bloke,
telling the most outrageous lies about DAB and FM. A total morass
of
misinformation. What the chuff is a '£25 adaptor'?

Bill

I don't know what else it was on about, but when your google is
unbroken you'll see a few adaptors at / under the 25 quid mark:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...html?t=1369515


Firstly, that thread dates back to December 2008, and if you follow
the link from there to the PC World website that adaptor isn't
available at PC World. Secondly, and if you'd have bothered to read
the forum thread you'd have realised this, it looks to have been one
of Dixons/Currys/PC World's famous offers that are intended to attract
attention for the price being very low, but they actually don't have
any stock available. Thirdly, the audio quailty of cheap DAB adaptors
is basically guaranteed to be diabolical, so when you add this to
DAB's already diabolical audio quality you get a doubly diabolical
audio quality, which isn't the best quality. Fourthly, how would you
plug a DAB adaptor into a hi-fi system or other piece of audio
equipment with an FM tuner that doesn't have an audio input?


I have seen them in Halfords.



I've just looked on the Halfords website, and I couldn't see any DAB
adaptors at all, let alone ones for under £25.



--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

"Bill Wright" wrote in message

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rs_14_08_2009/

I'm surprised that you hounds haven't leapt upon this and devoured
it.


Actually, his answers were more honest than he normally is. Tony
Moretta is clearly a pathological liar, there's no doubt about it.
Anybody who could appear in a radio interview that was being listened
to by hundreds of thousands to millions of people and say that it's an
"urban myth" that DAB is less advanced than DAB+ and that DAB+ only
offers "very, very slightly higher audio quality" than DAB, is
obviously a bare faced liar, and judging by the frequency of the lies
he comes out with I'd imagine that he would be officially categorised
as being a pathological liar.


Go
to the 47 minute point and marvel at the sheer bloody cheek of the
bloke,
telling the most outrageous lies about DAB and FM. A total morass of
misinformation. What the chuff is a '£25 adaptor'?


When asked about whether DAB delivers inferior audio quality to FM on
Feedback, the BBC's Director of Radio Tim Davie also claimed that:

"DAB doesn't have the coverage of FM at this point. And it's
really straightforward that the quality of your audio is related to
how close you are to a transmitter. So DAB currently has less
transmitters, so those people who are farther away from a transmitter
aren't getting as good sound."

So either the Cambridge-educated Davie doesn't understand the
ridiculously simple concept that DAB's audio quailty is crap because
teh bit rate levels are far too low, or he lied through his teeth.




--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

A sub comment.
Having listened to dab, freeview and fm of the same stations here. Pure,
Netgem and Denon respectively, through the same audio chain, I have these
observations.

Dab sounds OK, but is fatiguing, its hard to say why, though its probably
the tendency to grittiness.

Freeview is very good... at the moment, though I do notice the odd glitch
for some reason.

FM, though hissier, is nicer sounding, less in your face, but can be more
compressed than the same on either of the other mediums.

Conclusion, our radio station engineers care sod all fro quality in any
shape or form, and none of the mediums is being ised to the potential it is
capable of. Do BBC engineers really exist any more?

Brian

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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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"Kurt Ayres" wrote in message

"seani" wrote in message
...
On Aug 15, 12:41 am, "Bill Wright"
wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rs_14_08_2009/

I'm surprised that you hounds haven't leapt upon this and devoured it.
Go
to
the 47 minute point and marvel at the sheer bloody cheek of the bloke,
telling the most outrageous lies about DAB and FM. A total morass of
misinformation. What the chuff is a '£25 adaptor'?

Bill

I don't know what else it was on about, but when your google is
unbroken you'll see a few adaptors at / under the 25 quid mark:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...html?t=1369515


Firstly, that thread dates back to December 2008, and if you follow the
link from there to the PC World website that adaptor isn't available at PC
World. Secondly, and if you'd have bothered to read the forum thread you'd
have realised this, it looks to have been one of Dixons/Currys/PC World's
famous offers that are intended to attract attention for the price being
very low, but they actually don't have any stock available. Thirdly, the
audio quailty of cheap DAB adaptors is basically guaranteed to be
diabolical, so when you add this to DAB's already diabolical audio quality
you get a doubly diabolical audio quality, which isn't the best quality.
Fourthly, how would you plug a DAB adaptor into a hi-fi system or other
piece of audio equipment with an FM tuner that doesn't have an audio
input?


I have seen them in Halfords.



I've just looked on the Halfords website, and I couldn't see any DAB
adaptors at all, let alone ones for under £25.



--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Anybody who could appear in a radio interview that was being listened
to by hundreds of thousands to millions of people and say that it's an
"urban myth" that DAB is less advanced than DAB+ and that DAB+ only
offers "very, very slightly higher audio quality" than DAB, is
obviously a bare faced liar

Have you heard UK DAB+ transmissions to compare with DAB?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om
A sub comment.
Having listened to dab, freeview and fm of the same stations here.
Pure,
Netgem and Denon respectively, through the same audio chain, I have
these
observations.

Dab sounds OK, but is fatiguing, its hard to say why, though its
probably
the tendency to grittiness.


The audio quality of music on DAB varies from track to track, because
some tracks are easy to compress whereas other tracks are more
difficult to compress, and with DAB stations using bit rate levels
that are far too low for the MP2 audio codec that's used on DAB, those
tracks that are more difficult to compress sound crap as a result,
because the encoder simply hasn't got enough bits available to encode
the audio accurately enough - that's why the sound is gritty and dull
and muffled etc.


Freeview is very good... at the moment, though I do notice the odd
glitch
for some reason.


The new BBC iPlayer 128 and 192 kbps AAC Internet radio streams are
the best quality digital streams.


FM, though hissier, is nicer sounding, less in your face, but can be
more
compressed than the same on either of the other mediums.

Conclusion, our radio station engineers care sod all fro quality in
any
shape or form, and none of the mediums is being ised to the
potential it
is capable of. Do BBC engineers really exist any more?


The BBC is grossly technically incompetent.



--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Anybody who could appear in a radio interview that was being
listened
to by hundreds of thousands to millions of people and say that it's
an
"urban myth" that DAB is less advanced than DAB+ and that DAB+ only
offers "very, very slightly higher audio quality" than DAB, is
obviously a bare faced liar

Have you heard UK DAB+ transmissions to compare with DAB?


DAB+ uses the AAC/AAC+ audio codec, so all you need to do to hear how
DAB+ performs is to encode your own music to AAC/AAC+. There's no need
to actually be able to receive DAB+.

After so many years of sticking up for DAB, you don't even appear to
have learnt the very, very basics of how the system works, Plowman.



--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

In message , Bill Wright
wrote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...rs_14_08_2009/

I'm surprised that you hounds haven't leapt upon this and devoured it. Go to
the 47 minute point and marvel at the sheer bloody cheek of the bloke,
telling the most outrageous lies about DAB and FM. A total morass of
misinformation. What the chuff is a '£25 adaptor'?


I was listening to a BBC Radio Essex in the car a few weeks ago and a
few people who 'had a clue' phoned in about technical and reception
problems with DAB. The expert guest effectively dismissed their
question, implying that they were wrong, and said how it was all much
better because you could get more stations.
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Alan
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