FM - Switchover

On 6 Aug, 00:20, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
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* Agamemnon wrote:
You have some information which proves it won't just continue as is?

It's already uses outdated technology which is over 20 years old so
the entire existing platform will go long before FM does.

By that yardstick how old is FM? 50 years? And it's outdated too. No one
starting with a clean sheet would do stereo that way.
And yet the people starting with a clean sheet have delivered something
worse.

It started out ok. The bitrate was reduced subsequently.

That's what happened with the BBC national stations. Many commercial
stations always intended to use 128kbps, as did all BBC local
stations. I have that in writing from 1998. Which is laughable, given
what "the best" 128kbps mp2 encoders sounded like at the time! (i.e.
even worse - far far worse - than now).

Cheers,
David.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Agamemnon wrote:
You have some information which proves it won't just continue as is?

It's already uses outdated technology which is over 20 years old so the
entire existing platform will go long before FM does.

By that yardstick how old is FM? 50 years? And it's outdated too. No one
starting with a clean sheet would do stereo that way.

FM is perfected and state of the art. It's is completely up to date and was
able to adapt with new technology. DAB is 20 years out of date and has
already been surpassed by other digital platforms and is not adaptable at
the playback end. DAB is inherently flawed in its design. FM was not and is
not. DAB should have been implemented with the processing power and ability
to download all possible new future codec's and use them for playback. It
didn't and DAB2 doesn't have the ability either therefore it is doomed as
well.

"2Bdecided" wrote in message
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On 6 Aug, 00:20, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
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Mike Henry wrote:

In , "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:
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Agamemnon wrote:
You have some information which proves it won't just continue as
is?

It's already uses outdated technology which is over 20 years old so
the entire existing platform will go long before FM does.

By that yardstick how old is FM? 50 years? And it's outdated too. No
one
starting with a clean sheet would do stereo that way.
And yet the people starting with a clean sheet have delivered something
worse.

It started out ok. The bitrate was reduced subsequently.

That's what happened with the BBC national stations. Many commercial
stations always intended to use 128kbps, as did all BBC local
stations. I have that in writing from 1998. Which is laughable, given
what "the best" 128kbps mp2 encoders sounded like at the time! (i.e.
even worse - far far worse - than now).

Besides which in 1998 AAC was already being used by iTunes and could run
perfectly well on a P100 or slower processor. DAB was doomed from its very
beginnig. It was dreamed up and implemented by complete clueless idiots.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Clive wrote:
I don't think much of DAB, it sounds like good quality MONO Medium Wave
broadcasts.

I take it either you've not heard DAB or not heard MW? The two couldn't
be further apart.

Yes, MW on my radio is crystal clear, DAB sound quality is worse.


As regards stereo, some DAB transmissions may well be in mono. All AM ones
(in this country) are.

But they are not distorted like DAB sound is.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Better still actually make them the shape of other items, like door stops
etc, so they can have a second use.

Incidentally whatever happened to that digital radio mondial' or whatever
it was called?

Another stupidity.

Brian

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
No, as DAB will be changed for something less worse and all the current
dabs will be door stops in five years.

A manufacturer's dream. Make all DAB and FM radios obsolete at a stroke.

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Agamemnon wrote:
By that yardstick how old is FM? 50 years? And it's outdated too. No
one starting with a clean sheet would do stereo that way.

FM is perfected and state of the art.

You must have different FM to me. It's neither perfect or state of the
art.

It's is completely up to date and
was able to adapt with new technology.

Eh? Just what has changed about it in 30 years?

DAB is 20 years out of date and
has already been surpassed by other digital platforms and is not
adaptable at the playback end. DAB is inherently flawed in its design.
FM was not and is not. DAB should have been implemented with the
processing power and ability to download all possible new future
codec's and use them for playback. It didn't and DAB2 doesn't have the
ability either therefore it is doomed as well.

Wish I had your crystal ball...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Agamemnon wrote:
I take it either you've not heard DAB or not heard MW? The two
couldn't be further apart.

Yes, MW on my radio is crystal clear, DAB sound quality is worse.

You're mad.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:44:57 +0100, "Agamemnon"
wrote:

Yes, MW on my radio is crystal clear,

A crystal set?

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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:44:57 +0100, "Agamemnon"
wrote:

Yes, MW on my radio is crystal clear,

A crystal set?

Even a crystal set sounds better than DAB.

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"Peter Duncanson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:44:57 +0100, "Agamemnon"
wrote:

Yes, MW on my radio is crystal clear,

A crystal set?

Even a crystal set sounds better than DAB.

Actually, because there's none of this new-fangled IF filtering, on AM,
a crystal set is probably provides the highest-fi of all receivers.
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Ian