Petition to stop FM being switched off

In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
I note your opinion and point out it has nothing to do with what I wrote
that you quoted above it. :-)
I note what you say and maintain that FM is better here in the Lake
District that digital, however, anything that I said that may be
offensive I apologise for and blame several large cans of Fosters:-)
--
Clive

Clive wrote:
In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
I note your opinion and point out it has nothing to do with what I wrote
that you quoted above it. :-)
I note what you say and maintain that FM is better here in the Lake
District that digital, however, anything that I said that may be
offensive I apologise for and blame several large cans of Fosters:-)

Well I am listening to the cricket on the Beeb's digital internet
stream. It sure is a lot better than AM!! :-)

can we all agfree that

- FM is better than AM
- Good digital is better than FM
- Current DAB is not good digital.
- depending where you are, what sets you have, and what your psychology
is, current digital may or may not be better than FM

And leave it at that.

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
Well I am listening to the cricket on the Beeb's digital internet
stream. It sure is a lot better than AM!! :-)

can we all agfree that

- FM is better than AM
- Good digital is better than FM
- Current DAB is not good digital.
- depending where you are, what sets you have, and what your psychology
is, current digital may or may not be better than FM

And leave it at that.
Agreed.
--
Clive

"Clive" wrote in message
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In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
I am afraid that you have missed the point that the distortion products
are
folded back as complex intermodulation by the FM and stereo decoding
processes. Hence the distortion can indeed appear below 15kHz in the
actual
output.

And in other cases it appears at harmonics of the intended frequency, so a
2kHz tone can give distortion at multiples of this up to 15kHz.

Where I live FM rules. Digital may have pretences above their station
(pun not intended) but in straight listening tests are rubbish compared to
the FM in this part of the woods.
Clive


BBC Radio 7 sounds great on FM, or it would if it was broadcast.

and as it's in my top three most listened to stations, it makes FM dead for
me.

Steve Terry

"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Clive" wrote in message
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In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
I am afraid that you have missed the point that the distortion products
are
folded back as complex intermodulation by the FM and stereo decoding
processes. Hence the distortion can indeed appear below 15kHz in the
actual
output.

And in other cases it appears at harmonics of the intended frequency, so
a
2kHz tone can give distortion at multiples of this up to 15kHz.

Where I live FM rules. Digital may have pretences above their station
(pun not intended) but in straight listening tests are rubbish compared
to the FM in this part of the woods.
Clive


BBC Radio 7 sounds great on FM, or it would if it was broadcast.

and as it's in my top three most listened to stations, it makes FM dead
for me.

Steve Terry

I only listen to 7 listen again on reciva wi fi ......

Jim GM4DHJ/M wrote:
"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Clive" wrote in message
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In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
I am afraid that you have missed the point that the distortion products
are
folded back as complex intermodulation by the FM and stereo decoding
processes. Hence the distortion can indeed appear below 15kHz in the
actual
output.

And in other cases it appears at harmonics of the intended frequency, so
a
2kHz tone can give distortion at multiples of this up to 15kHz.
Where I live FM rules. Digital may have pretences above their station
(pun not intended) but in straight listening tests are rubbish compared
to the FM in this part of the woods.
Clive


BBC Radio 7 sounds great on FM, or it would if it was broadcast.

and as it's in my top three most listened to stations, it makes FM dead
for me.

Steve Terry

I only listen to 7 listen again on reciva wi fi ......


I grab it off the net, or , occasionally, on the digiTV.

Fosters is good, however I remember in the 70's the BBC doing a blind test
on speakers, and behind a large acoustic cloth were hidden some speakers.
LS5/1A, LS5/8's LS3/5A and whatever else they had. When the music was
played, the so called Sound Supervisors (Sound Balancers) complained at each
piece of music that was played "A little too much top on that one!!" "
Alittle too much distortion on that piece " Not enough bass, speakers are
rubbish". It was only at that point that the curtains were withdrawn to show
a full 16 piece orchestra!!!
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Clive wrote:
In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
I note your opinion and point out it has nothing to do with what I wrote
that you quoted above it. :-)
I note what you say and maintain that FM is better here in the Lake
District that digital, however, anything that I said that may be
offensive I apologise for and blame several large cans of Fosters:-)

Well I am listening to the cricket on the Beeb's digital internet stream.
It sure is a lot better than AM!! :-)

can we all agfree that

- FM is better than AM
- Good digital is better than FM
- Current DAB is not good digital.
- depending where you are, what sets you have, and what your psychology
is, current digital may or may not be better than FM

And leave it at that.

In article ,
Alistair Biggar wrote:
Fosters is good, however I remember in the 70's the BBC doing a blind
test on speakers, and behind a large acoustic cloth were hidden some
speakers. LS5/1A, LS5/8's LS3/5A and whatever else they had. When the
music was played, the so called Sound Supervisors (Sound Balancers)
complained at each piece of music that was played "A little too much
top on that one!!" " Alittle too much distortion on that piece " Not
enough bass, speakers are rubbish". It was only at that point that the
curtains were withdrawn to show a full 16 piece orchestra!!!

I worked for the BBC TV in the sound department in the '70s and that's the
first I've heard of that one. Apart from anything else do you know the
cost of employing a 16 piece orchestra?

If it had happened it would soon have been reported throughout the
industry.

--
*Bigamy is having one wife too many - monogamy is the same

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Well, all I can tell you is that when dab first started, the quality was
better than FM, mainly signal to noise etc it has to be said, but now its
sounding gritty, and lacking in detail, so either their equipment is crap,
or the bit rate really has been turned down. I assume R7 and r4 are still
often in mono on dab to save data as well, when the freeview feed of r7 and
the fm feed of r4 are in stereo. sigh.

Mind you, if we got rid of the clone commercials, and replaced them with one
quality commercial station there would be plenty of data bandwidth. After
all, most of your Heart/capital/Q/ whatever, are compressed to the enth
degree and probably sourced from rubbish mp3s in the first place.

Brian

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"Alistair Biggar" wrote in message
...
Fosters is good, however I remember in the 70's the BBC doing a blind
test on speakers, and behind a large acoustic cloth were hidden some
speakers. LS5/1A, LS5/8's LS3/5A and whatever else they had. When the
music was played, the so called Sound Supervisors (Sound Balancers)
complained at each piece of music that was played "A little too much top
on that one!!" " Alittle too much distortion on that piece " Not enough
bass, speakers are rubbish". It was only at that point that the curtains
were withdrawn to show a full 16 piece orchestra!!!
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Clive wrote:
In message , Jim Lesurf
writes
I note your opinion and point out it has nothing to do with what I
wrote
that you quoted above it. :-)
I note what you say and maintain that FM is better here in the Lake
District that digital, however, anything that I said that may be
offensive I apologise for and blame several large cans of Fosters:-)

Well I am listening to the cricket on the Beeb's digital internet stream.
It sure is a lot better than AM!! :-)

can we all agfree that

- FM is better than AM
- Good digital is better than FM
- Current DAB is not good digital.
- depending where you are, what sets you have, and what your psychology
is, current digital may or may not be better than FM

And leave it at that.

Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, all I can tell you is that when dab first started, the quality was
better than FM, mainly signal to noise etc it has to be said, but now its
sounding gritty, and lacking in detail, so either their equipment is crap,
or the bit rate really has been turned down. I assume R7 and r4 are still
often in mono on dab to save data as well, when the freeview feed of r7 and
the fm feed of r4 are in stereo. sigh.

Mind you, if we got rid of the clone commercials, and replaced them with one
quality commercial station there would be plenty of data bandwidth. After
all, most of your Heart/capital/Q/ whatever, are compressed to the enth
degree and probably sourced from rubbish mp3s in the first place.

Brian

Well I have now got a USB digital TV stock for this computer!

Most radio stations on it are about the same as online quality as far
as I can tell. WAY better than FM noise wise.

Its also been a revelation to look at the broadcast pictures..sky news
is absolute rubbish quality.