survivors 1975-77

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
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In article , David wrote:
After the initial die-off, when survivors have exhausted what supplies
they
have and the stench of decay becomes too much, there will an exodus
though
never complete; some with less sensitivity and stronger stomachs will
always
stay to take advantage of the resources in the city. Having lots of
rotting
corpses around isn't actually as big a health risk as is usually thought,
provided you take reasonable hygiene precautions of yourself, your
immediate
living area and especially any food and water you use.

Where would you get drinkable water in a dead city? Bottles in
supermarkets
wouldn't last very long after it stopped coming out of the taps. You'd
have to
move to the country to find a clear stream.
Rod.


Another reason to move to an island like Jersey which has an existing and
extensive independent water supply infrastructure.

After burying the islands dead at sea

Steve Terry

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Í think we should remember that the survivors would, presumably, be a
random sample of the population. Now, if you think about the generality of
the population, the majority of people would have no idea how to operate a
generator, for instance. They certainly wouldn't be able to identify the
home of a radio amateur by looking at the aerials, then sort out the
necessary gear for mobile comms, then use it. The skills market would
change dramatically, but it would still exist.
Bill

The skills market would be turned on it's head, surviving undervalued
skilled
working class engineers would have to teach underskilled middle management
class practical skills.
Many of the middle classes because of their lack of skills wouldn't survive.

The world would return to the natural order of survival of the capable and
technical as predicted in H G Wells "Shape of things to come"

Steve Terry

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
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Where would you get drinkable water in a dead city? Bottles in
supermarkets
wouldn't last very long after it stopped coming out of the taps. You'd
have to
move to the country to find a clear stream.

Rod.
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Tanks in attics, swimming pools, a variety of sources ... but whether in
city or country any water would still have to be filtered and purified, most
likely by boiling but possibly by addition of chemicals such as clear thin
bleech if you had it, iodine extracted from seaweed, etc.

In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:
But with literally millions of them , charging them regularly you'd
have a limitless supply for many decades. I've had batteries last
nearly ten years in my old vans . Get a new one off the shelf in a car
parts place , charge it up , use it a few hours a day and it'll last a
decade I reckon.


Nope, new ones are supplied dry charged empty, and start degrading
when filled with sulphuric acid / deionised water, so store them unfilled
as supplied to dealers

Are you saying Halfords add the electrolyte on the premises? Because all
their batteries on display are ready to go. Same with most others these
days. Or rather has been for the last couple of car batteries I've bought.
Last 'dry' stored battery I bought and had to wait while it was filled was
a Lucas. ;-) And from a motor factor.

Used batteries that can't be immediately used, i would empty and store
the acid /water in drums for later use.

Indeed. But charge them first, and flush with suitable water.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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*I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant

May I steal this?

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Ophelia wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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*I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant

May I steal this?

Of course. I did.

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Steve Terry wrote:
"Sofa - Spud" wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:
Shortwave Transceivers are located in every Radio Amateurs house, all
it would take is a copy of the yearly callbook (like a phone
directory) to be able to locate and recover all that equipment
And electricity, of course.

That's located in one of the millions of portable generators kicking
around, also most Amateur radio sets operate on 12 volts DC so they can
be used in cars, so you'd only need a means of charging car batteries
Car batteries have a limited life. Very much so if left to go flat.
As regards gennys most would only run them when needed. So you'd need to
set a time for this radio communication 'hour'. Assuming you can still
tell the time, of course. ;-)
But with literally millions of them , charging them regularly you'd have a
limitless supply for many decades. I've had batteries last nearly ten
years in my old vans . Get a new one off the shelf in a car parts place ,
charge it up , use it a few hours a day and it'll last a decade I reckon.


Nope, new ones are supplied dry charged empty, and start degrading
when filled with sulphuric acid / deionised water, so store them unfilled
as supplied to dealers

Used batteries that can't be immediately used, i would empty and store
the acid /water in drums for later use.

Steve Terry






I haven't seen anything but sealed Gel filled batteries for years to be
honest, I wonder how long they'd last?

In article ,
Sofa - Spud wrote:
Nope, new ones are supplied dry charged empty, and start degrading
when filled with sulphuric acid / deionised water, so store them
unfilled as supplied to dealers

Used batteries that can't be immediately used, i would empty and store
the acid /water in drums for later use.

I haven't seen anything but sealed Gel filled batteries for years to be
honest, I wonder how long they'd last?

Car batteries aren't gel and aren't sealed. If you peel back the label etc
on the top you'll find filler plugs. They are correctly called 'low
maintenance' - the design negates the need for topping up. Although modern
charging systems help here too.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Ophelia wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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*I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant

May I steal this?

Of course. I did.

Thank you)

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:
But with literally millions of them , charging them regularly you'd
have a limitless supply for many decades. I've had batteries last
nearly ten years in my old vans . Get a new one off the shelf in a car
parts place , charge it up , use it a few hours a day and it'll last a
decade I reckon.


Nope, new ones are supplied dry charged empty, and start degrading
when filled with sulphuric acid / deionised water, so store them unfilled
as supplied to dealers

Are you saying Halfords add the electrolyte on the premises? Because all
their batteries on display are ready to go. Same with most others these
days. Or rather has been for the last couple of car batteries I've bought.
Last 'dry' stored battery I bought and had to wait while it was filled was
a Lucas. ;-) And from a motor factor.


The warehouses supplying Halfords, etc, store them in dry charged state.
Those would be the places to recover batteries from.
I used to deal with one just west of Brighton, an Aladdin's cave of new
car batteries.

Just the sort of place that would have a turf war after an apocalypse

Steve Terry