Petition to stop FM being switched off

jasee wrote:
Alan wrote:
In message , DAB sounds worse than
FM wrote
There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/

Why would anyone want to sign something that may prevent us getting
hundreds of radio stations on DAB?

Why would it do that?
How many more rubbish radio stations (at lower quality than FM) do you want
anyway?



I have a good tuner and the sound on DAB is fine. Better by far than
the hissy FM I used to get, even with a very good external FM
aerial. I gave my FM tuner away.

FM isn't being switched off. National networks are being transferred
to DAB (+ DVB etc etc) and FM re-allocated to local 'community' radio.

There's no way I would sign - the faster we switch the better.

regards, Ian

On 25 June, 11:02, JN [email protected] wrote:

This Internet Radio sounds like the dogs b#ll#cks, how can I receive it
in my car at the same cost as FM broadcasts (I only listen to the radio
in a car).

iPlayer iPod

iPod Car


No good for live, but I still have R4 FM for live. Don't use it -
choice of previous week's R4 much more useful!

Cheers,
David.

"Ian Smith" wrote in message

jasee wrote:
Alan wrote:
In message , DAB sounds worse
than
FM wrote
There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched
off:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/

Why would anyone want to sign something that may prevent us
getting
hundreds of radio stations on DAB?

Why would it do that?
How many more rubbish radio stations (at lower quality than FM) do
you
want anyway?



I have a good tuner and the sound on DAB is fine.


I have a good tuner and the sound of DAB is absolutely dire compared
to FM.


Better by far than
the hissy FM I used to get, even with a very good external FM
aerial. I gave my FM tuner away.


In other words, you live in a crap FM reception area.

Reception quality is different to audio quality, and anybody who has
reasonably good reception quality on both DAB and FM will receive
higher qulaity on FM.




--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

"Roderick Stewart" wrote
in
message .myzen.co.uk
In article , Jn
wrote:
I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g
dongle, 5 quid per month.

I've also used a 3g dongle with 3g: it's pretty crap here and also
over
vast
areas of the UK (even by 3g's own map)


I was not serious about Internet Radio but some seem to believe the
Internet is the holy grail for everything no matter how impractical

What's impractical today will be commonplace tomorrow if enough
people
want it, or if somebody sees a marketing possibility. A 3G internet
car
radio with a reasonable number of presets doesn't need us to invent
anything new - just to extend and reconfigure what we've already
got.
With literally thousands of radio stations, everybody can have their
choice of quality or quantity.


A couple of demo Internet radio car stereos came out earlier this
year:

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/20...ar_stereos.php




--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

"JN" [email protected] wrote in message
o.uk
jasee wrote:
Steve Terry wrote:
"JN" [email protected] wrote in message
...
Kráftéé wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
"Alan" wrote in message

In message , DAB sounds
worse
than
FM wrote
There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched
off: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
snip
This Internet Radio sounds like the dogs b#ll#cks, how can I
receive
it in my car at the same cost as FM broadcasts (I only listen to
the
radio in a car).
JN


I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g
dongle, 5 quid per month.

I've also used a 3g dongle with 3g: it's pretty crap here and also
over
vast areas of the UK (even by 3g's own map)


I was not serious about Internet Radio but some seem to believe the
Internet is the holy grail for everything no matter how impractical
(setting up laptop and mobile in my car before setting off each
morning ).


If you're refering to what I wrote about Internet radio, I'm pretty
sure I didn't mention in-car, so I didn't say it's the holy grail for
everywhere.


To have decent programmes usually requires a reasonable investment
in
talent and I don't see how tiny internet stations can achieve this
without a mass market.


Why does a radio station always need to have DJs or individual
programmes? Internet radio is excellent for people who like genres of
music that are poorly covered on bigger radio stations - and there's a
lot of different genres taht are covered poorly.


As far as I can see the more stations we have the
worse the material on offer. DTV seems to be a good example, I'm
often
seeing the same programmes on that I watched in the 1960/70's.

Most current commercial radio stations are fairly dire, usually
playing
almost continuous music or having intentionally provocative
presenters
to generate revenue from phone ins.


Commercial radio is also obviouosly profit-oriented so they play music
that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Small Internet radio
stations aren't in it for the profit, and they're in it to play the
music they like.



--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Jn wrote:
I receive internet radio on my laptop anywhere with my Three 3g
dongle, 5 quid per month.
I've also used a 3g dongle with 3g: it's pretty crap here and also over
vast
areas of the UK (even by 3g's own map)


I was not serious about Internet Radio but some seem to believe the
Internet is the holy grail for everything no matter how impractical

What's impractical today will be commonplace tomorrow if enough people want it,
or if somebody sees a marketing possibility. A 3G internet car radio with a
reasonable number of presets doesn't need us to invent anything new - just to
extend and reconfigure what we've already got. With literally thousands of
radio stations, everybody can have their choice of quality or quantity.

Rod.
You'll probably find someone has already a patent out on the idea.
Watching the IT press there appears to be companies out there who just
patent everything they can think of so they can sue any successful
product producer.

I don't personally believe there would be enough people who want this
unless you can have some killer content/facility (just having thousands
of music/talk stations isn't that attractive). But then people do seem
willing to part with around £50/month for satellite services so I could
well be wrong, again.

JN

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
| "Steve Terry" wrote in message
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|| "DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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||| "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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|||| In article ,
|||| Eeyore wrote:
||||| Besides, DAB is inferior. Good FM beats it hands down.
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|||| I'm surprised at that statement from you, Graham. DAB at a decent
|||| bitrate knocks FM into touch.
|||
||| Stop lying Plowman. You only ever listen to Radio 4, and you've
||| said
||| numerous times that you never listen to the music stations which
||| just so
||| happen to be the stations that have the biggest problem with their
||| audio
||| quality on DAB.
|||
|||| Of course if you want to compare 'good' FM to poor
|||| bitrate DAB to make a point, so be it.
|||
||| Don't need to do that - FM ****es all over DAB.
|||
|||
|| FM ****es all over the lousy low bitrate DAB we get in the UK
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|
| Absolutely.

OOer, I think I'll stick to using my 80GB MP3 player in the car....

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Andy Dee" wrote in message
...
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/

Please sign. Thanks.


mad
So why do we need the American spelling "Analog" in this petition?

PLEASE why can't we remain British and use ENGLISH in this country....
/mad
A
I'm afraid the Times spells it 'analog'.

Bill

Personally I don't give a f**k how it's spelled (spelt?) - the whole point
is that I have a serious investment in FM radio in my life and I don't want
to have to scrap it at someone else's whim. Telly converters are one
thing - telly's tend to be fixed objects in our lives. All my radios, bar
one, are portable devices. One is even a wind-up jobbie that I intend to
save the planet with (sic.) and I sure as hell don't want to have to consign
all of these very efficient and perfectly satisfactory units to the skip
unless they cease to work (internally) - unless, of course, HM Govt. would
like to replace them all (at their expense) with the DAB equivalents (most
of which don't friggin' work without an external aerial at present). If
they want to do that I'll be happy to withdraw my sig. from the petition.

Chas

In article , Ian Jackson ianREMOVET
scribeth thus
In message , tony sayer
writes
In article , Ian Jackson ianREMOVET
scribeth thus
In message , Kráftéé
writes
Jimbo GM4DHJ .... wrote:
| "DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
| ...
|| There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
||
|| http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
||
|| Please sign. Thanks.
||
||
| cool thanks ......

Maybe some more bandwidth to play with.......Naah I doubt it (it'll be
sold to the highest bidder)

Who IS going to buy that part of the spectrum? There's not a lot of
activity between (say) 30 and 87MHz at the moment, so I don't think that
there will be as great a demand for the FM radio spectrum as some people
think.

There are tracts of spectrum from around 30 to 87 MHz that are hardly
used as no one wants them;!...

Offhand, I'm not sure what one might expect to find. Old FM cordless
phones 30 to 33MHz. IF region 33 to 40MHz 'protected'. Some radio
control around 49MHz (?), plus old toy walkie talkies and baby alarms.
Amateur 50 to 52MHz. There used to be a blind landing system on 75MHz.
Some council, gas and electricity board stuff around 80Mhz?

All gone now to phones;(..

OK, all of
the spectrum will be allocated, but the actual usage is very low.


Vert very low..

Of course, one of the problems with these relatively low frequencies is
the size of the aerial, especially for handheld portable use (even if
loading is used). And, there's also a severe problem with sporadic-E
interference - especially around this time of year. It is not without
good reason that, some time ago, Band 1 was abandoned for TV
transmissions in many European countries.

Interference needed be that much a problem and aerial size .. well you
can get around that..
--
Tony Sayer

In article , Ian
Smith scribeth thus
jasee wrote:
Alan wrote:
In message , DAB sounds worse than
FM wrote
There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/

Why would anyone want to sign something that may prevent us getting
hundreds of radio stations on DAB?

Why would it do that?
How many more rubbish radio stations (at lower quality than FM) do you want
anyway?



I have a good tuner and the sound on DAB is fine. Better by far than
the hissy FM I used to get, even with a very good external FM
aerial. I gave my FM tuner away.

I had a DAB tuner too but I swapped mine for a laptop, which was an item
of some use..

--
Tony Sayer