Border Region Switchover

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
No no no ! The only way to receive BBC 1, ITV 1 and C4 will be via
analogue until July 22nd. From June 24th all she will be able to receive
on her Digital box will be:-

BBC 1, BBC 2, BBC 3, BBC 4, BBC News Ch, CBBC and CBeebies

Sigh, the line break on your message meant I saw it as:

....snippity... (carrying BBC
1, 2, 3, 4, N24)

which my brain read as 1, 2, 3, 4 as in channels 1 to 4 (not BBCs 1 to 4).
Sorry.

Anyhoo, it means she *does* have to faff about with both tuners to get all
the normal channels during the transition period. What a well thought out
plan they came up with...

Doehead wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
No no no ! The only way to receive BBC 1, ITV 1 and C4 will be via
analogue until July 22nd. From June 24th all she will be able to
receive on her Digital box will be:-

BBC 1, BBC 2, BBC 3, BBC 4, BBC News Ch, CBBC and CBeebies

Sigh, the line break on your message meant I saw it as:

...snippity... (carrying BBC
1, 2, 3, 4, N24)

which my brain read as 1, 2, 3, 4 as in channels 1 to 4 (not BBCs 1
to 4). Sorry.

Anyhoo, it means she *does* have to faff about with both tuners to
get all the normal channels during the transition period. What a well
thought out plan they came up with...

Agreed. If they duplicated the five main analogue channels on a single high
powered mux they could switch the whole country over tomorrow and few people
would notice the loss of BBC2 analogue.

(kim)

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:07:04 +0100, "kim" wrote:

Doehead wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
No no no ! The only way to receive BBC 1, ITV 1 and C4 will be via
analogue until July 22nd. From June 24th all she will be able to
receive on her Digital box will be:-

BBC 1, BBC 2, BBC 3, BBC 4, BBC News Ch, CBBC and CBeebies

Sigh, the line break on your message meant I saw it as:

...snippity... (carrying BBC
1, 2, 3, 4, N24)

which my brain read as 1, 2, 3, 4 as in channels 1 to 4 (not BBCs 1
to 4). Sorry.

Anyhoo, it means she *does* have to faff about with both tuners to
get all the normal channels during the transition period. What a well
thought out plan they came up with...

Agreed. If they duplicated the five main analogue channels on a single high
powered mux they could switch the whole country over tomorrow and few people
would notice the loss of BBC2 analogue.

And were would that leave the BBC Nations (Scotland, Wales etc), ITV
variations (including non-ITV companies like STV and Ulster TV) and
localised advertising? I believe Channel 4 also carries localised
advertising but I may be wrong about that.
(kim)

Scott wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:07:04 +0100, "kim" wrote:

Doehead wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
No no no ! The only way to receive BBC 1, ITV 1 and C4 will be via
analogue until July 22nd. From June 24th all she will be able to
receive on her Digital box will be:-

BBC 1, BBC 2, BBC 3, BBC 4, BBC News Ch, CBBC and CBeebies

Sigh, the line break on your message meant I saw it as:

...snippity... (carrying BBC
1, 2, 3, 4, N24)

which my brain read as 1, 2, 3, 4 as in channels 1 to 4 (not BBCs 1
to 4). Sorry.

Anyhoo, it means she *does* have to faff about with both tuners to
get all the normal channels during the transition period. What a
well thought out plan they came up with...

Agreed. If they duplicated the five main analogue channels on a
single high powered mux they could switch the whole country over
tomorrow and few people would notice the loss of BBC2 analogue.

And were would that leave the BBC Nations (Scotland, Wales etc), ITV
variations (including non-ITV companies like STV and Ulster TV) and
localised advertising? I believe Channel 4 also carries localised
advertising but I may be wrong about that.

You've misunderstood me. I didn't mean a single mux for the entire country,
I meant a single mux for each broadcasting area.

(kim)

In article , Kim wrote:
Anyhoo, it means she *does* have to faff about with both tuners to
get all the normal channels during the transition period. What a
well thought out plan they came up with...

Agreed. If they duplicated the five main analogue channels on a
single high powered mux they could switch the whole country over
tomorrow and few people would notice the loss of BBC2 analogue.

And were would that leave the BBC Nations (Scotland, Wales etc), ITV
variations (including non-ITV companies like STV and Ulster TV) and
localised advertising? I believe Channel 4 also carries localised
advertising but I may be wrong about that.

You've misunderstood me. I didn't mean a single mux for the entire country,
I meant a single mux for each broadcasting area.

On a slightly different but related matter, does any of the preparatory re-
jigging of transmitters explain why the tuner in my Panasonic recorder lost
*all* the digital channels last week, requiring a complete rescan to bring
them back? An annoying feature of this device is that a rescan also wipes the
complete list of programmes to be recorded, so I have to enter all of them
again. All those blank menu screens look quite scary until you've ascertained
that it isn't going to be expensive after all, but it did happen on two
consecutive days last week and hasn't happened since, which makes me think
it's probably something to do with the signal rather than my receiver. Any
ideas?

Rod.
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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..... on June 24th at Caldbeck itself the following happens:-

1: BBC 2 analogue will vanish

2: The present low power version of the BBC Mux will vanish.

3: The new high power version of the BBC mux on a new frequency (carrying
BBC 1, 2, 3, 4, N24) will appear called PSB 1.

At all of Caldbeck's mainland relays (excluding Whitehaven, that has
already DSO'd in 2007), Steps 1 and 3 will apply.

All digital boxes must be rescanned at this point.

On July 22 at Caldbeck itself the following happens:

1: BBC 1, ITV, C4 and C5 analogue at Caldbeck will vanish

2: The present five low power muxes will vanish.

3: These five muxes will appear (on different frequencies) at high power.

At all of Caldbeck's mainland relays (excluding Whitehaven, that has
already DSO'd in 2007), Step 1 will apply (excl C5), and Mux 2 and B will
appear for the first time, (renamed PSB 2 and 3)

All digital boxes must be rescanned at this point.
--
Mark

Many thanks Mark,
Just one thing to add, BBC2 analogue frequency is now filled with ITV1, and
ITV1 frequency is off.
I guess many will report loss of ITV1 (unless they are avid BBC2 watchers
and notice the move !)

Regards
cmwb

cmwb wrote:

Just one thing to add, BBC2 analogue frequency is now filled with ITV1, and
ITV1 frequency is off.
I guess many will report loss of ITV1 (unless they are avid BBC2 watchers
and notice the move !)

Ah yes. That also happens at some sites, if the BBC 2 frequency is one that
Ofcom are selling off, which at Caldbeck it is (UHF Ch 34). The new BBC high
power mux is where ITV analogue used to be until last night, UHF Ch 28.


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Mark Carver wrote:
cmwb wrote:

Just one thing to add, BBC2 analogue frequency is now filled with
ITV1, and ITV1 frequency is off.
I guess many will report loss of ITV1 (unless they are avid BBC2
watchers and notice the move !)

Ah yes. That also happens at some sites, if the BBC 2 frequency is
one that Ofcom are selling off, which at Caldbeck it is (UHF Ch 34).

Generally speaking, aren't they also the channel numbers with the best
coverage in any particular area?

(kim)

In message , Brian Gaff
writes
Well, for every one who is prepared there are probably two who have said,
Oh, I'll do that tomorrow, and now tomorrow is here they still have not done
it...
I live in the Whitehaven area, the first to have analogue switched of
and digital imposed on us overnight. I believe the number of blank TVs
in the morning to be in the order of 20%.
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Clive

kim wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
cmwb wrote:

Just one thing to add, BBC2 analogue frequency is now filled with
ITV1, and ITV1 frequency is off.
I guess many will report loss of ITV1 (unless they are avid BBC2
watchers and notice the move !)
Ah yes. That also happens at some sites, if the BBC 2 frequency is
one that Ofcom are selling off, which at Caldbeck it is (UHF Ch 34).

Generally speaking, aren't they also the channel numbers with the best
coverage in any particular area?

Well, not really.

The channels being sold off are at the top of Group A (31-35), the bottom of
Group B (37, 39, 40), and the top of Group C/D (63-68).

Good riddance to 63-68, we're one of the few countries in the world to make
extensive of them anyway, being at the top of Band V incur greater losses in
cabling etc, have the worst propagation characteristics, and are the first to
be attenuated by obstructions.

For Group A areas, the same applies to Ch 31-35. Channels 33 upwards can be
particularly tricky for some models of Group A aerials AIUI too ?


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