Freeview BBC1 bit-rate now as bad as ITV

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
You must be very selective in what you've looked at - most of the
'foreign' stuff I've looked at off satellite is appalling. Sound
especially. The 'arab' channels seem to think the norm is to wind
everything up until it distorts. And then some.


I thought we were discussing "European" broadcasters David and state
ones such as France Musique and Bayern Klassik 4 etc..

Not some tinpot ones..

That's fine if you consider 'continental' as just being France and Germany.


Well didn't Jimmy Young always refer to France and Germany as sur le
continent;?..


You could almost consider that as EU broadcasters...
--
Tony Sayer

"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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I can't speak for the EV crap, haven't watched that since Abba won. As
to the others, I saw no problems from Winter Hill, must be a
transmitter problem where you are. And when it comes to the dogs**t,
complain to Ofcom not to the beeb, they never listen to viewers,
furthermore, once the analogue signal goes every channel will have
dogs so you'll have to put up with it or get a large group to pester
MPs etc.

I'm also on Winter Hill and can confirm BBC1 seems to have recently changed
it's bitrate. Recordings on the PVR are significantly smaller in size and
artefacts are now much more visually pronounced than previously.

It's particularly bad around regional inserts - such as between 6pm-7pm,
10-10:45pm etc.

Possibly in build up to DSO where the beeb have to squash everything up onto
one mux (which will, of course, have a little more capacity post DSO with a
change in config!)

Just my tuppence worth

Cheers,
Mike

On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:36:06 +0100, Mikeapollo [email protected] wrote:

I'm also on Winter Hill and can confirm BBC1 seems to have recently changed
it's bitrate. Recordings on the PVR are significantly smaller in size and
artefacts are now much more visually pronounced than previously.

It's particularly bad around regional inserts - such as between 6pm-7pm,
10-10:45pm etc.

Possibly in build up to DSO where the beeb have to squash everything up onto
one mux (which will, of course, have a little more capacity post DSO with a
change in config!)

BBC1 is now being stat muxed in a lot of places. I'm not sure how far the
conversion to central coding and muxing has got, but it sounds like it
may have reached you.

"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:36:06 +0100, Mikeapollo [email protected] wrote:

I'm also on Winter Hill and can confirm BBC1 seems to have recently
changed
it's bitrate. Recordings on the PVR are significantly smaller in size and
artefacts are now much more visually pronounced than previously.

It's particularly bad around regional inserts - such as between 6pm-7pm,
10-10:45pm etc.

Possibly in build up to DSO where the beeb have to squash everything up
onto
one mux (which will, of course, have a little more capacity post DSO with
a
change in config!)

BBC1 is now being stat muxed in a lot of places. I'm not sure how far the
conversion to central coding and muxing has got, but it sounds like it
may have reached you.


Its reached Ridge Hill, with a noticeable drop in quality around a month to
6 weeks ago.

On Sat, 30 May 2009 13:56:42 +0100, Kay Robinson
wrote:

I'm also on Winter Hill and can confirm BBC1 seems to have recently changed
it's bitrate. Recordings on the PVR are significantly smaller in size and
artefacts are now much more visually pronounced than previously.

I went digital four years ago, have never watched analogue since. The
only artefacts I ever see are on the occasions when local
stormtroopers rev up their motorbikes on passing my window.

That is not an artefact. That is decoder failure caused by excessive
impulse interference.
If you cannot see any artefacts then you are blind. Or maybe just stupid.

"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 May 2009 16:36:06 +0100, "Mikeapollo"
sharpened a new quill and
scratched:


"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
...

I can't speak for the EV crap, haven't watched that since Abba won. As
to the others, I saw no problems from Winter Hill, must be a
transmitter problem where you are. And when it comes to the dogs**t,
complain to Ofcom not to the beeb, they never listen to viewers,
furthermore, once the analogue signal goes every channel will have
dogs so you'll have to put up with it or get a large group to pester
MPs etc.

I'm also on Winter Hill and can confirm BBC1 seems to have recently
changed
it's bitrate. Recordings on the PVR are significantly smaller in size and
artefacts are now much more visually pronounced than previously.

I went digital four years ago, have never watched analogue since.

Aren't you lucky!

I have to switch to analogue (BBC) about twice a day when the digital signal
become unwatchable. And that's with a good receiver on my PVR, the receiver
on my TV is unwatchable for the whole day.

I live in a listed building in a conservation area and hence have my aerial
in the loft (and a sat dish is a complete no-no). I think that reducing the
DTTV bandwidth down to the level where it can only be received by people
with perfect reception, on the grounds that others can get freeesat, is
completely unacceptable.

(Fortunately I only rent so I can move if it gets worse)

tim

On Sat, 30 May 2009 13:56:42 +0100, Kay Robinson wrote:

The only artefacts I ever see are on the occasions when local
stormtroopers rev up their motorbikes on passing my window.

When your local relay gets converted from FFT 2k to 8k mode, this interference
problem should at least be diminished, if not disappear altogether.

"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 30 May 2009 13:28:40 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
sharpened a new quill and scratched:

On Sat, 30 May 2009 13:56:42 +0100, Kay Robinson

wrote:

I'm also on Winter Hill and can confirm BBC1 seems to have recently
changed
it's bitrate. Recordings on the PVR are significantly smaller in size
and
artefacts are now much more visually pronounced than previously.

I went digital four years ago, have never watched analogue since. The
only artefacts I ever see are on the occasions when local
stormtroopers rev up their motorbikes on passing my window.

That is not an artefact. That is decoder failure caused by excessive
impulse interference.
If you cannot see any artefacts then you are blind. Or maybe just stupid.

I'm niether blind nor stupid you ignorant little fairy. Just because
you have a ****-poor setup doesn't mean everyone else has your
inabilities.
Plonk....


Umm... I think he was saying that his set up IS so good that he can see
the missing pixels that you seem to be unable to

It needs civilization, it needs second thoughts,
to realise that Napoleon and Ceasar and Alexander
are not really the highest types of humanity,
that war making is not a glory but a crime


I wouldn't put Napoleon in that category, if the royalists of Europe
and the fools that were brainwashed or just desperate to take the king's
shilling had surrendered, he wouldn't have had to fight them

Vive la République

Steve Terry

On Sun, 31 May 2009 00:30:24 +0100, Kay Robinson
wrote:

I went digital four years ago, have never watched analogue since. The
only artefacts I ever see are on the occasions when local
stormtroopers rev up their motorbikes on passing my window.

That is not an artefact. That is decoder failure caused by excessive
impulse interference.
If you cannot see any artefacts then you are blind. Or maybe just stupid.

I'm niether blind nor stupid you ignorant little fairy. Just because
you have a ****-poor setup doesn't mean everyone else has your
inabilities.

Ah, definitely stupid. Apparently blind. Unable to comprehend.
Silly cow. Moo.

Kay Robinson wrote:

From some tales I read here I consider myself lucky. Friends of mine
elsewhere can only get analogue with poor reception, they live in a
listed building in a conservation area, also rather hemmed in by
hills. I don't know what they'll do when the switch off for their area
happens.

They will put up a dish and get Sky or Freesat, just as everyone else does,
and they will do it without getting any prior approval, just as everyone
else does. If they genuinely can't get Freeview or a cable connection, I
doubt if there's a local authority in the country who would dare to take
action against them for fear of the backlash in the local and possible
national press on the lines of 'Local Council stops me watching TV' shock.