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Old May 21st 09, 12:59 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
J G Miller[_4_]
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At a meeting of the Royal Television Society on the evening of
Wednesday, May 20th, 2009, the Chairman of the BBC Trust Michael
Lyons emphasized the six commitments of the BBC Trust --


1) Standards To maintain the very highest editorial standards which
reflect BBC audiences' current broad views.

2) Serving all audiences To offer value to everyone in the UK, wherever
they live, and whoever they are.

3) Content To be a leader, not a follower, offering content of the highest
quality and of a kind that no-one else is doing.

4) Supporting PSB content To support provision of other's content and sustain
contribution to UK creative sector.

5) Value - To only spend as much money as the BBC needs.

6) Independence - Never to allow external interest to exercise undue
influence on the BBC's editorial or operational independence


Is the BBC Trust failing to maintain to these commitments?
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Old May 21st 09, 02:04 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 21 May, 11:59, J G Miller wrote:
At a meeting of the Royal Television Society on the evening of
Wednesday, May 20th, 2009, the Chairman of the BBC Trust Michael
Lyons emphasized the six commitments of the BBC Trust --

1) Standards To maintain the very highest editorial standards which
* *reflect BBC audiences' current broad views.

2) Serving all audiences To offer value to everyone in the UK, wherever
* *they live, and whoever they are.

3) Content To be a leader, not a follower, offering content of the highest
* *quality and of a kind that no-one else is doing.

4) Supporting PSB content To support provision of other's content and sustain
* *contribution to UK creative sector.

5) Value - To only spend as much money as the BBC needs.

6) Independence - Never to allow external interest to exercise undue
* *influence on the BBC's editorial or operational independence

Is the BBC Trust failing to maintain to these commitments?


Personally I think they are doing pretty well. You only have to live
abroad for a while to realise that the BBC, and certain other British
TV channels, are a cut above the woeful dross our continental and
American cousins have to put up with.

OK, so there are a few instances where they fall down; but hey, no-
one's perfect.

JPG
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Old May 21st 09, 02:24 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 05:04:53 -0700, JPG wrote:

You only have to live abroad for a while to realise that the BBC,
and certain other British TV channels, are a cut above the woeful
dross our continental and American cousins have to put up with.


Do you really intend to describe eg ARD, ZDF, Arte, PBS as dross?

no-one's perfect.


Like when the BBC describes former speaker Martin on their web site as

"Prickly, *decent*, lonely, kind - nine years of Speaker Martin"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8058301.stm

with an article which appears to have just been written by a hack
in the Ministry of Truth?
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Old May 21st 09, 03:08 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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J G Miller wrote:
Like when the BBC describes former speaker Martin on their web site
as

"Prickly, *decent*, lonely, kind - nine years of Speaker Martin"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8058301.stm

with an article which appears to have just been written by a hack
in the Ministry of Truth?


He's not 'former' *yet*, Mr Pedant Miller.

Hmm ... That piece looks pretty balanced to me. Which means that my
assessment of your assessment of things needs re-evaluating ...

André Coutanche



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Old May 21st 09, 04:02 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On Thu, 21 May 2009 14:08:39 +0100, André Coutanche wrote:

He's not 'former' *yet*, Mr Pedant Miller.


You are quite correct.

Another case of the BBC misleading the public with their inaccurate
headlines and page titles eg

BBC NEWS | Politics | Speaker resigns to 'maintain unity

BBC NEWS | UK | Papers review Speaker's resignation

BBC iPlayer - Speaker's Resignation Speech

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00l10bw/BBC_News_Special_The_Speaker_Resigns/

Since he is not yet former, he cannot yet have resigned.
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Old May 21st 09, 05:54 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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"J G Miller" wrote in message
news
At a meeting of the Royal Television Society on the evening of
Wednesday, May 20th, 2009, the Chairman of the BBC Trust Michael
Lyons emphasized the six commitments of the BBC Trust --


1) Standards To maintain the very highest editorial standards which
reflect BBC audiences' current broad views.


Ah, including the biggots and the facists I guess.
2) Serving all audiences To offer value to everyone in the UK, wherever
they live, and whoever they are.
If they can get the stations in anything like good quality, or if at all
in the case of DAB.


3) Content To be a leader, not a follower, offering content of the highest
quality and of a kind that no-one else is doing.

So why do grotty soaps and co schedule with the commercial companies then?

4) Supporting PSB content To support provision of other's content and
sustain
contribution to UK creative sector.


Gobbldegoop rules..

5) Value - To only spend as much money as the BBC needs.

Erm, this is a bit like the old lifetime garantee. it means nothing. The bbc
needs what it needs, if it has more it will spend it, less and it will still
spend it!

6) Independence - Never to allow external interest to exercise undue
influence on the BBC's editorial or operational independence


See my answer to number 3. Are they saying they never schedule spoilers?
the

Is the BBC Trust failing to maintain to these commitments?--


Well, they are not so much commitments as just bland ideals that can be
taken any way you wish.

Brian God this editing is bloody hard
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Old May 21st 09, 05:59 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:


"J G Miller" wrote in message
news
At a meeting of the Royal Television Society on the evening of
Wednesday, May 20th, 2009, the Chairman of the BBC Trust Michael Lyons
emphasized the six commitments of the BBC Trust --


1) Standards To maintain the very highest editorial standards which
reflect BBC audiences' current broad views.


Ah, including the biggots and the facists I guess.


naturally,

[Snip]

3) Content To be a leader, not a follower, offering content of the
highest quality and of a kind that no-one else is doing.

So why do grotty soaps and co schedule with the commercial companies then?


You could equally ask why the commercial companies co-schedule with the
BBC. There's a bit of a chicken and egg situation here.

--
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Old May 21st 09, 06:47 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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Since he is not yet former, he cannot yet have resigned.

Eh? You can resign from a job and leave sometime later after a notice period
has elapsed.


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Old May 22nd 09, 02:12 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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On 21 May, 13:24, J G Miller wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 05:04:53 -0700, JPG wrote:

* You only have to live abroad for a while to realise that the BBC,
* and certain other British TV channels, are a cut above the woeful
* dross our continental and American cousins have to put up with.

Do you really intend to describe eg ARD, ZDF, Arte, PBS as dross?


OK, pick out the public channels. The BBC is equal to or better than
any of them. I'm mostly talking about the commercial crap.


* no-one's perfect.

Like when the BBC describes former speaker Martin on their web site as

* * *"Prickly, *decent*, lonely, kind - nine years of Speaker Martin"

* * *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8058301.stm

with an article which appears to have just been written by a hack
in the Ministry of Truth?


Yes, if you like.

 




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