Relay tx post DSO - why only 3 muxes?

On 14 Apr, 21:08, tony sayer wrote:
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On 14 Apr, 13:32, Jerry wrote:
2Bdecided wrote:

Ah yes, all true, but I'm moving from a well served location to a non-
served location. I feel the only option is Sky - I will definitely
miss my subscription-free PVR, and would miss the likes of Yesterday,
Film4, various radio stations, and even Sky News.

So get a FTA satellite receiver, no need for "Sky" (or even Freesat
for that matter...), go find a clue rather than ranting on Usenet!

I realise CH4 is now FTA, but my understanding is that five isn't,

Yes it is, its just not of the EPG...

Thanks Tony, Mark and Dave for clearing that up.

Any one know the answer to this one...

Most importantly, I though that the generic FTA satellite PVRs _don't_
have a working EPG when used in the UK. True or false?

Cheers,
David.

2Bdecided wrote:

Any one know the answer to this one...

Most importantly, I though that the generic FTA satellite PVRs _don't_
have a working EPG when used in the UK. True or false?

True.

The only EPGs available on channels at 28.2 E are the proprietary ones
supplied by BSkyB and BBC/ITV Freesat.

In fact AIUI the delay in launching the BBC/ITV Freesat platform was
partly due to the problems in having two EPG streams existing on the
same transponders. I think it required a fair amount of effort on
BSkyB's part to make this work.

A generic FTA satellite box can read neither EPG, therefore the only
data available is the DVB-S standard 'Now and Next'.

Not so much of a problem for bog standard receivers, but a significant
limitation for PVRs.

In article , Mark Carver
scribeth thus
2Bdecided wrote:

Any one know the answer to this one...

Most importantly, I though that the generic FTA satellite PVRs _don't_
have a working EPG when used in the UK. True or false?

True.

The only EPGs available on channels at 28.2 E are the proprietary ones
supplied by BSkyB and BBC/ITV Freesat.

In fact AIUI the delay in launching the BBC/ITV Freesat platform was
partly due to the problems in having two EPG streams existing on the
same transponders. I think it required a fair amount of effort on
BSkyB's part to make this work.

A generic FTA satellite box can read neither EPG, therefore the only
data available is the DVB-S standard 'Now and Next'.

Not so much of a problem for bog standard receivers, but a significant
limitation for PVRs.

Course if Ofcom had put their foot down and regulated a bit on this one
it could have been a lot more organised;!...
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tony sayer wrote:
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Course if Ofcom had put their foot down and regulated a bit on this one
it could have been a lot more organised;!...

Don't be silly, every government since 1980 has wanted to get
re-elected, had they started to tell Murdoch what he could and
couldn't do they would be committing political suicide...

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On 14 Apr, 19:33, Mark Carver wrote:
Yes, the four regions of 'Five' that Sky boxes tune to are all on wide beam,
and therefore encrypted, making them FTV. They are at 12422 H

It's odd that C5 don't ditch the Region 2 version at 12422, and remap relevant
postcodes to the FTA version of Five that Freesat boxes use at 10773 H.
They could then make that stream the default one for Sky boxes without a card
(in the same way that BBC 1 and 2 London are for 101/102).

I believe the FTA version is a seperate stream so that it can show
something else when the FTV versions are showing live football or
other programming that has rights issues.

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tony sayer wrote:
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Course if Ofcom had put their foot down and regulated a bit on this one
it could have been a lot more organised;!...

Don't be silly, every government since 1980 has wanted to get
re-elected, had they started to tell Murdoch what he could and
couldn't do they would be committing political suicide...


Part of the problem is that Sky is seen as satellite broadcasting full
stop .. when any FTA box will receive the available progs..
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tony sayer wrote:
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Part of the problem is that Sky is seen as satellite broadcasting full
stop .. when any FTA box will receive the available progs..

Compounded now by the BBC/ITV "Freesat" marketing clap-trap. :~(

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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:33:44 +0100, Mark Carver
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It's odd that C5 don't ditch the Region 2 version at 12422, and remap relevant
postcodes to the FTA version of Five that Freesat boxes use at 10773 H.

Because the FTA version blacks out programmes where rights cannot be
cleared.

So the 10million-or-so Sky/FreesatFromSky viewers get the encrypted
versions of the channels, with the complete schedule, whereas the
handful of BBCFreesat viewers (175,000 or so) get a single FTA version
which sometimes misses out programmes. Because Freesat has such a tiny
number of viewers, the poorer service doesn't matter - it's better
than nothing. But for Sky viewers it would be a step backwards.

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Zero Tolerance wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:33:44 +0100, Mark Carver
wrote:

It's odd that C5 don't ditch the Region 2 version at 12422, and remap relevant
postcodes to the FTA version of Five that Freesat boxes use at 10773 H.

Because the FTA version blacks out programmes where rights cannot be
cleared.

So the 10million-or-so Sky/FreesatFromSky viewers get the encrypted
versions of the channels, with the complete schedule, whereas the
handful of BBCFreesat viewers (175,000 or so) get a single FTA version
which sometimes misses out programmes. Because Freesat has such a tiny
number of viewers, the poorer service doesn't matter - it's better
than nothing. But for Sky viewers it would be a step backwards.

Yes, that makes sense, I remember some programmes were blacked out during the
C5 2D test transmissions. However has any C5 prog actually been blacked out
since on 2D ?


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"Angus Rae" wrote in message
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Jerry wrote:
Your point being what, considering the OP having talked about getting
"Sky", which is the point I was replying to - if he can 'get Sky' he can
'see' the same satellite with a FTA receiver...

Assuming the OP can get Sky at his new location; he may not know that yet
and may be only assuming that Sky is possible (because most people tend to
assume that it is). If they are moving to an area served by a relay
because of inconvenient geography there's a chance that there may be no
line-of-sight to satellites either.

People always assume that the TV will work when they move. When the aerial
or dish installer comes along and says there's a problem, they can get
angry. Sometimes they assume that it's an attempted rip off. When a new
estate is built in a bad reception area it can be quite a problem. To make
it worse, when young couples move house they very often overstretch
themselves financially, so the idea of paying for a big aerial is not
welcome. From the good installers' point of view these estates come good
after a few years, when the problems become common knowledge and when the
cowboys have been round fleecing everyone and doing a crap job. "We'll get
it done right this time."

Bill