Slightly OT - Sky dish

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Dodgy Dave
scribeth thus

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
. ..
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dodgy Dave"
saying something like:

Just an update to my post on the 28th regarding installing Sky without
phone
line - well its irrelevant anyway as the council have refused me
permission
to install a dish anyway. As i apparently live in a conservation area
they
claim that installing a dish on the front of my property would be
considered
detrimental to the visual amenity...

They don't have to be on the wall, you know.
Can you put it on a 6ft pole in your back garden, so that it clears the
roofline of your house? Another way is to replace some roof tiles with
fibreglass ones and mount it in the attic.

I live in a 2nd floor flat and there is another floor above me. The dish
would need to be facing back down the street (thats the best way i can
think
of to describe it) thats why i'm not 100% sure whether it needs to be
erected on the front wall or back wall. If its on the back wall then
there's
a mini roof also that could block the signal. I think the installer would
have to bring special brackets so that the dish is away from the wall if i
was to get it put on the back of the property.....plus it would then
require
a mile of cable to go over the high roof to the front of the building. I'd
just rather get permission from the authorities cos there's a troublemaker
upstairs who would love to have me install the dish then grass me to make
me
take it down. Some people.


Hasn't the flat owner installed some sort of communal aerial system
then?...
--
Tony Sayer


There is a communal aerial system covering all 11 flats but think its
unlikely the housing association will splash out on a dish system. I'm not
sure why dishes are not allowed but tv aerials are? Whats the difference its
still an object on the wall or chimney isnt it?

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:47:22 +0100, "Dodgy Dave"
wrote:

I'm not
sure why dishes are not allowed but tv aerials are? Whats the difference its
still an object on the wall or chimney isnt it?

TV aerials are permitted under the legal maxim "De minimis non curat
lex" - often shortened to de minimis - roughly translated as "The law
does not concern itself with trifles". It is applied where a trifling
infringement, or infringement of the strict letter of a statute, is
brought to the attention of the court, but where the deviation is of so
little consequence that if continued in practice, "would weigh little or
nothing in the public interest", and might properly be overlooked.

For some reason when satellite TV was introduced laws were passed
regulating the installation of dishes. I wonder whether the law-makers
were anticipating much larger dishes than are actually in use today.

Im assuming you dont have a balcony on the right side? If you have,
you can often mount the dish inside it so it cant be seen. You can
drop a plastic cover over it and it will still work.

Also, this might be of help:

http://www.sqish.co.uk/

They work well, I have used them.

Also, out of interest, but probably not feally of much help here, I
was once doing a satellite installation with a small patio mount. I
stood the mount on the patio whilst I made connections and suddenly
fornd very good signals on the meter....with the dish facing in
completely the wrong direction!
It was facing the conservatory and the "Sundym" glass which contains a
microscopic metal layer to seduce heat transfer was feflecting the
satellite signals perfectly like a mirror!
After a bit of experimenting I could get perfect results with the
Astra 2 satellite. I didn't use this method but made a mental note of
it incase I ever needed to use the principle for a difficult job in
the future. (Perhaps on the inside of a balcony, facing back towards
the window to see a reflection of the satellite) ....who knows!

In article , Dodgy Dave
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Dodgy Dave
scribeth thus

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Dodgy Dave"
saying something like:

Just an update to my post on the 28th regarding installing Sky without
phone
line - well its irrelevant anyway as the council have refused me
permission
to install a dish anyway. As i apparently live in a conservation area
they
claim that installing a dish on the front of my property would be
considered
detrimental to the visual amenity...

They don't have to be on the wall, you know.
Can you put it on a 6ft pole in your back garden, so that it clears the
roofline of your house? Another way is to replace some roof tiles with
fibreglass ones and mount it in the attic.

I live in a 2nd floor flat and there is another floor above me. The dish
would need to be facing back down the street (thats the best way i can
think
of to describe it) thats why i'm not 100% sure whether it needs to be
erected on the front wall or back wall. If its on the back wall then
there's
a mini roof also that could block the signal. I think the installer would
have to bring special brackets so that the dish is away from the wall if i
was to get it put on the back of the property.....plus it would then
require
a mile of cable to go over the high roof to the front of the building. I'd
just rather get permission from the authorities cos there's a troublemaker
upstairs who would love to have me install the dish then grass me to make
me
take it down. Some people.


Hasn't the flat owner installed some sort of communal aerial system
then?...
--
Tony Sayer


There is a communal aerial system covering all 11 flats but think its
unlikely the housing association will splash out on a dish system. I'm not
sure why dishes are not allowed but tv aerials are? Whats the difference its
still an object on the wall or chimney isnt it?



Yes but its a Dish!, and there what's deemed to be wrong with the
world...

Its the worst manifestation of the British class system at work;!.....
--
Tony Sayer

In article
..com, widgitt scribeth thus
Im assuming you dont have a balcony on the right side? If you have,
you can often mount the dish inside it so it cant be seen. You can
drop a plastic cover over it and it will still work.

Also, this might be of help:

http://www.sqish.co.uk/

They work well, I have used them.

Also, out of interest, but probably not feally of much help here, I
was once doing a satellite installation with a small patio mount. I
stood the mount on the patio whilst I made connections and suddenly
fornd very good signals on the meter....with the dish facing in
completely the wrong direction!
It was facing the conservatory and the "Sundym" glass which contains a
microscopic metal layer to seduce heat transfer was feflecting the
satellite signals perfectly like a mirror!
After a bit of experimenting I could get perfect results with the
Astra 2 satellite. I didn't use this method but made a mental note of
it incase I ever needed to use the principle for a difficult job in
the future. (Perhaps on the inside of a balcony, facing back towards
the window to see a reflection of the satellite) ....who knows!

Interesting ..

But the point is still why should one lump of metal and plastic be
deemed OK whereas another differently shaped lump of metal and plastic
have to be controlled?..

Now any rational or logical answers please?...
--
Tony Sayer

I would be the first to agree with you about whats wrong with the
system and the first to argue with the planners and rule-makers.

The panel array isn't a dish, though, so I would be interested to see
how that argument would go with the planners.