Confused: Relay transmitting 59 digital channels!

I just got in from helping an old friend. Someone in his family has
given him a Sony HD/DVD recorder, he couldn't record to HD from the EPG.

No problem, I fixed it easily - it was set up for an analog EPG.

However...

How the dickens is he getting a digital signal? Like me he is on the
Bassenthwaite repeater for Caldbeck. This, in theory (digitaluk), will
only get about 18 channels AFTER 24th June, but the Sony PVR and his
Sony TV are clearly saying that they can 'see' 59 channels of digital.
This is after I turned them over to the Digital EPG, and the channels
are there, I checked quite a few.

And he is definitely on Bassenthwaite which currently only puts out
180W of Group B. His house is in between two mountains (Ullock Pike and
Dodd), there is no chance of a reflection of Caldbeck or even
Crosthwaite. He can't even get Sky, the satellite is below the 'Dodd'
horizon.

Can anyone give me a clue as to what's going on? I appear to have been
elected Village-Digital-Guru, since pointing people at Bill's Paras
site, and I'd like my omnipotent image to remain untarnished....

R.

On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:06:34 +0000, TheOldFellow
wrote:

I just got in from helping an old friend. Someone in his family has
given him a Sony HD/DVD recorder, he couldn't record to HD from the EPG.

No problem, I fixed it easily - it was set up for an analog EPG.

However...

How the dickens is he getting a digital signal? Like me he is on the
Bassenthwaite repeater for Caldbeck. This, in theory (digitaluk), will
only get about 18 channels AFTER 24th June, but the Sony PVR and his
Sony TV are clearly saying that they can 'see' 59 channels of digital.
This is after I turned them over to the Digital EPG, and the channels
are there, I checked quite a few.

And he is definitely on Bassenthwaite which currently only puts out
180W of Group B. His house is in between two mountains (Ullock Pike and
Dodd), there is no chance of a reflection of Caldbeck or even
Crosthwaite. He can't even get Sky, the satellite is below the 'Dodd'
horizon.

Can anyone give me a clue as to what's going on? I appear to have been
elected Village-Digital-Guru, since pointing people at Bill's Paras
site, and I'd like my omnipotent image to remain untarnished....

R.

In work our stb picks up a large number of digital channels. Work is
located on the Gower peninsula and our aerial points at Kilvey - which
gives us the full choice of Welsg dtv. These channels are numbered
from 1 thro to 80 and upwards. However there a re a set of English
digital channels on the stb numbered from 800 upwards. These appear to
be coming from an English transmitter to the east of Kilvey - probably
The Mendip xmitter

Could something similar be the reason for your surfeit of channels?

"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
. ..

Can anyone give me a clue as to what's going on? I appear to have been
elected Village-Digital-Guru, since pointing people at Bill's Paras
site, and I'd like my omnipotent image to remain untarnished....

Will the receiver allow a manual tune, or anything else that will let you
know which UHF channel is carrying which mux? That would answer your
question.

In general, DTT reception can sometime surprise. In rural areas where
background RF noise is low, muxes can often appear when common sense says
they can't!

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
. ..
Can anyone give me a clue as to what's going on? I appear to have been
elected Village-Digital-Guru, since pointing people at Bill's Paras
site, and I'd like my omnipotent image to remain untarnished....

Will the receiver allow a manual tune, or anything else that will let you
know which UHF channel is carrying which mux? That would answer your
question.

Yes, I can't remember but on my Sony TV if you enter the manual digital
preset config menu, I think you can see the UHF channel number for each
particular station. I'll take a look when I get home tonight.

"TheOldFellow" wrote in message
. ..
I just got in from helping an old friend. Someone in his family has
given him a Sony HD/DVD recorder, he couldn't record to HD from the EPG.

No problem, I fixed it easily - it was set up for an analog EPG.

However...

How the dickens is he getting a digital signal? Like me he is on the
Bassenthwaite repeater for Caldbeck. This, in theory (digitaluk), will
only get about 18 channels AFTER 24th June, but the Sony PVR and his
Sony TV are clearly saying that they can 'see' 59 channels of digital.
This is after I turned them over to the Digital EPG, and the channels
are there, I checked quite a few.

And he is definitely on Bassenthwaite which currently only puts out
180W of Group B. His house is in between two mountains (Ullock Pike and
Dodd), there is no chance of a reflection of Caldbeck or even
Crosthwaite. He can't even get Sky, the satellite is below the 'Dodd'
horizon.

Can anyone give me a clue as to what's going on? I appear to have been
elected Village-Digital-Guru, since pointing people at Bill's Paras
site, and I'd like my omnipotent image to remain untarnished....


Are they real channels or services?
I get 91 numbered services from the 6 MUXs on Winter Hill.
Some of them are TV channels some are radio and the rest are nether.

What is an analogue EPG? Do you mean an ordinary menu option
containing BBC1 BBC2 ITV CH4 & CH5 rather than an EPG?

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
Yes, I can't remember but on my Sony TV if you enter the manual digital
preset config menu, I think you can see the UHF channel number for each
particular station. I'll take a look when I get home tonight.

That's right. Lots of boxes and tellys do it. My trusty Humax (can't get 'em
no more) will tune Bilsdale like this, even though the signal is terrible on
an Emley aerial. Incidentally it says the signal strength on Emley ch 40 is
4/5, yet if I hit it with any more signal it would probably blow it up!

Bill

On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:56:18 -0000
"Graham." wrote:

Are they real channels or services?
I get 91 numbered services from the 6 MUXs on Winter Hill.
Some of them are TV channels some are radio and the rest are nether.

Good point, as I'm not in front of it right now, I can't check. The
ones I looked at certainly looked like TV channels.

What is an analogue EPG? Do you mean an ordinary menu option
containing BBC1 BBC2 ITV CH4 & CH5 rather than an EPG?


The set up for the HDD/DVD had an option for the EPG, I can't remember
the exact wording. The default (which it WAS set to) didn't give the
same channel line up as the TV, so I swapped to the one called 'Digital
EPG' - I'm pretty sure that's the right label.

After my OP, I tried my Samsung (Freeview inc) TV on the Bassenthwaite
transmitter - no DTT at all! (but I cave a probably-misaligned aerial
under my lakeland-stone roof, so that means almost nothing) Maybe my
friend has a pick up on another transmitter. I'm now hoping he has more
trouble, so I can go back and play some more!

R.

On Mar 3, 12:06*pm, TheOldFellow wrote:

Can anyone give me a clue as to what's going on? *I appear to have been
elected Village-Digital-Guru, since pointing people at Bill's Paras
site, and I'd like my omnipotent image to remain untarnished....

I read that as "impotent" the first time
sorry!..... (hides)

Bill Wright wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Bill Wright wrote:
Yes, I can't remember but on my Sony TV if you enter the manual digital
preset config menu, I think you can see the UHF channel number for each
particular station. I'll take a look when I get home tonight.

That's right. Lots of boxes and tellys do it.

Here we go, here it is for my Sony.

First select a digital TV channel

Then press the 'MENU' button

Then select 'SETTINGS'

'Set Up' (Tool box icon last in list)

'Digital Set Up'

'Digital Tuning' (Spanner icon)

'Digital Manual Tuning'

At that point you will see a screen with 'Channel Number' and a box with a
number between 21 and 68. That number will be the allocated UHF channel, for
the mux, that the channel you are currently tuned to is carried on.

Repeat from the top for other channels. Choose BBC 1, BBC 4, ITV 1, Five, Sky
3, Film 4, those six channels represent each of the six muxes.


--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

www.paras.org.uk

wrote in message
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On Mar 3, 12:06 pm, TheOldFellow wrote:

Can anyone give me a clue as to what's going on? I appear to have been
elected Village-Digital-Guru, since pointing people at Bill's Paras
site, and I'd like my omnipotent image to remain untarnished....

I read that as "impotent" the first time
sorry!..... (hides)

I have an impatient image.

Bill