Recording

Is it possible to record a program from Catch up On Demand.
If so can you tell me how the recorder has to be set up.
Thanks
Pete

wrote:
Is it possible to record a program from Catch up On Demand.
If so can you tell me how the recorder has to be set up.

£1. Find compatible sockets on each recorder and computer.
£2. Connect the recorder to the computer.
£3. Start playing, Press record.
£4. Destroy recordings after a period as required.
£5. Buy the DVD.

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Adrian C

"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Is it possible to record a program from Catch up On Demand.
If so can you tell me how the recorder has to be set up.

£1. Find compatible sockets on each recorder and computer.
£2. Connect the recorder to the computer.
£3. Start playing, Press record.
£4. Destroy recordings after a period as required.
£5. Buy the DVD.

What do you mean with all these £'s ?

Why destroy the recordings ?

John.

On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:36:38 +0000, Landru wrote:
What do you mean with all these £'s ?

His UK keyboard has a £ where the # is on a US keyboard above the '3' key.

Why destroy the recordings ?

As far as I am aware, the law of England and Wales permits a
television viewer to record a broadcast program for viewing at a
later time, but only on condition that the recording is destroyed
once the program has been viewed.

Recording programs for creating an archive library is strictly
not permitted.

J G Miller wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:36:38 +0000, Landru wrote:
What do you mean with all these £'s ?

His UK keyboard has a £ where the # is on a US keyboard above the '3' key.


No, last time I posted with #, I almost was accused of being a left
pondian.

Why destroy the recordings ?

Recording programs for creating an archive library is strictly
not permitted.

Except when either the BBC announcer tells you "here's one to record and
keep" on the film 'Roger Rabbit', or they have erased their master tapes
of an epic show that lots would want to see broadcast again.

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Adrian C

"J G Miller" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:36:38 +0000, Landru wrote:
What do you mean with all these £'s ?

His UK keyboard has a £ where the # is on a US keyboard above the '3' key.

Why destroy the recordings ?

As far as I am aware, the law of England and Wales permits a
television viewer to record a broadcast program for viewing at a
later time, but only on condition that the recording is destroyed
once the program has been viewed.

Laws of that kind have been proposed many times, but never passed (or even
drafted AFAIK).

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Max Demian

On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:54:58 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
As far as I am aware, the law of England and Wales permits a television
viewer to record a broadcast program for viewing at a later time, but
only on condition that the recording is destroyed once the program has
been viewed.

Laws of that kind have been proposed many times, but never passed (or
even drafted AFAIK).


From Her Britannic Majesty's Intellectual Property Office
at http://www.ipo.gov.UK/types/copy/c-applies/c-tvfilm.htm

QUOTE
You will not infringe the copyright in a broadcast if you make a
recording of a TV programme in your own home to watch later. For *any*
other use you may need the permission for the rights holder, unless
copyright exceptions apply.
UNQUOTE


From the proceedings of the Westminster Parliament,
at http://www.publications.parliament.u...nsrd/vo000313/
text/00313w03.htm

QUOTE
UK's limited exception in this area which allows home recording of
broadcasts to enable viewing or listening at a more convenient time
("time-shifting").
UNQUOTE


Recording of television programs in the UKofGB&NI is only permitted for
the purpose of "time shifting" as allowed by s70 of the Copyright Designs
and Patents Act 1988 (CDPA)


From http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988..._en_4#pt1-ch3-
pb11-l1g70

QUOTE
70 Recording for purposes of time-shifting

The making for private and domestic use of a recording of a broadcast
or cable programme solely for the purpose of enabling it to be viewed
or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any
copyright in the broadcast or cable programme or in any work included
in it.
UNQUOTE


Why then claim that such a law never been passed or even drafted when it
has been on the statute book for 20 years?

In article , J G Miller wrote:
As far as I am aware, the law of England and Wales permits a television
viewer to record a broadcast program for viewing at a later time, but
only on condition that the recording is destroyed once the program has
been viewed.

Laws of that kind have been proposed many times, but never passed (or
even drafted AFAIK).


From Her Britannic Majesty's Intellectual Property Office
at http://www.ipo.gov.UK/types/copy/c-applies/c-tvfilm.htm

QUOTE
You will not infringe the copyright in a broadcast if you make a
recording of a TV programme in your own home to watch later. For *any*
other use you may need the permission for the rights holder, unless
copyright exceptions apply.
UNQUOTE
[other quotes snipped]

Was that Her Britannic Majesty's emphasis on the word "any"?

How does it alter the meaning if you put emphasis instead on the word "may"?

If it's acceptable to record something to watch later, how much later is
"later" - hours, days, years? Is it specifically required that you watch it
in the same place, and/or that other people may not watch it too? I didn't
see any specific mention of a requirement to destroy the recording. Perhaps
you could point it out.

Rod.
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Mike Henry wrote:
In en.co.uk,
Roderick Stewart wrote:

In article , J G Miller wrote:
As far as I am aware, the law of England and Wales permits a
television viewer to record a broadcast program for viewing at a
later time, but only on condition that the recording is destroyed
once the program has been viewed.

Laws of that kind have been proposed many times, but never passed
(or even drafted AFAIK).


From Her Britannic Majesty's Intellectual Property Office
at http://www.ipo.gov.UK/types/copy/c-applies/c-tvfilm.htm

QUOTE
You will not infringe the copyright in a broadcast if you make a
recording of a TV programme in your own home to watch later. For
*any* other use you may need the permission for the rights holder,
unless copyright exceptions apply.
UNQUOTE
[other quotes snipped]

Was that Her Britannic Majesty's emphasis on the word "any"?

How does it alter the meaning if you put emphasis instead on the
word "may"?

If it's acceptable to record something to watch later, how much
later is "later" - hours, days, years?

The idea of including a time limit was mooted, and then rejected and
therefore not included. (This is where the old common "you have to
watch it within 30 days" falsehood comes from.)

Is it specifically required that you watch it
in the same place, and/or that other people may not watch it too? I
didn't see any specific mention of a requirement to destroy the
recording. Perhaps you could point it out.

Indeed, I'd be interested to see that too. Also that other "Recording
programs for creating an archive library is strictly not permitted"
claim - if it really was that strict, it too would be explicitly
mentioned.

Detailed answers are of course in the law itself, ie the Copyright Designs
and Patents Act 1988, the relevant bits being around Section 70.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988...ch3-pb11-l1g70

"J G Miller" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:54:58 +0000, Max Demian wrote:

"J G Miller" wrote in message
...
As far as I am aware, the law of England and Wales permits a television
viewer to record a broadcast program for viewing at a later time, but
only on condition that the recording is destroyed once the program has
been viewed.

Laws of that kind have been proposed many times, but never passed (or
even drafted AFAIK).


From Her Britannic Majesty's Intellectual Property Office
at http://www.ipo.gov.UK/types/copy/c-applies/c-tvfilm.htm

QUOTE
You will not infringe the copyright in a broadcast if you make a
recording of a TV programme in your own home to watch later. For *any*
other use you may need the permission for the rights holder, unless
copyright exceptions apply.
UNQUOTE


From the proceedings of the Westminster Parliament,
at http://www.publications.parliament.u...nsrd/vo000313/
text/00313w03.htm

QUOTE
UK's limited exception in this area which allows home recording of
broadcasts to enable viewing or listening at a more convenient time
("time-shifting").
UNQUOTE


Recording of television programs in the UKofGB&NI is only permitted for
the purpose of "time shifting" as allowed by s70 of the Copyright Designs
and Patents Act 1988 (CDPA)


From http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988..._en_4#pt1-ch3-
pb11-l1g70

QUOTE
70 Recording for purposes of time-shifting

The making for private and domestic use of a recording of a broadcast
or cable programme solely for the purpose of enabling it to be viewed
or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any
copyright in the broadcast or cable programme or in any work included
in it.
UNQUOTE


Why then claim that such a law never been passed or even drafted when it
has been on the statute book for 20 years?

I didn't know it had got that far, but, as indicated by the other replies to
this post, it's not clear exactly what is meant by 'timeshifting' or
'archiving', and looks more like a, "There's a law against it but we won't
enforce it honest," kind of a provision.

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Max Demian