Plasma TVs to be Banned

On Jan 12, 2:53*pm, Bigguy wrote:

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This is why I don't read newspapers et al - I try to ignore the
Political Punch and Judy show that Britain's establishment (which
includes newpapers) puts on in order to keep the brainless masses busy
while it invades countries for oil, turns Britain into a police state,
and quietly pushes public money around into places it really
shouldn't.

A 42in LCD TV uses similar amounts of energy to a much smaller
traditional set.

Again which LCD, which CRT?

All the LCD's I've ever tested with my plug in power meter have used
more than twice as many watts as the CRT's they replaced.
Good riddence to plasma sets though - they were even worse, and I hate
how you can feel the heat from them, too.

It's the EU that ought to be banned.

Except that mine are over 5 years old ...

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:51:35 -0000, "Ivan"
wrote:

so one would have to conclude that there
have been major strides in power saving design on LCD TVs manufactured over
the last three or four years.

wrote:
Families have nearly three times as many electrical appliances and
gadgets as a generation ago and the amount of electricity used to power
them has doubled.
That's because we are more affluent, thanks to science and technology and
despite politicians. We have every right to enjoy this affluence.

However, if that 'right' impinges on the future generations, then we
probably ought to be a bit more careful.

More careful, yes, but live like cave dwellers for the benefit of future
generations? Given that one's life is a one-shot game I'd to be
reasonably comfortable in what existence I have left, thank you very
much. CRTs, LCDs and plasmas in my experience all chuck-out a lot of
heat. Plasmas do seem to be the worst of the bunch, but to ban plasmas
is much like banning filament light bulbs. Oh hang-on, our European
masters have, and HMG, like the drone that it is, has gone ahead and set
this in motion, so panic buying of such light bulbs ensues. Perhaps
we'll see panic buying of plasma TVs now. I wonder if this a subtle ploy
by HMG to get us into more debt again (sorry, stimulating the economy by
buying imported products)? It seems that the only way at the moment be
it plasmas, light bulbs, whatever is to bludgeon the populous into
submission, rather than educate, under the mantle of global warming,
something that cannot be conclusively proved at present (at least to my
satisfaction). If LCDs are better for the environment then let's see the
evidence. Given that, IMO, LCD picture quality, especially motion
tracking, is still pretty poor to plasmas I'd frankly be quite
p*ssed-off if I was forced to endure a second rate solution.


Clem



Today Britain has 60million television sets - one for every person in
the country.
That's an underestimate surely.

Probably, but his name is Dave not Shirley!

Sorry, I could not resist!

John

Bill

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from "Brian Gaff" contains these words:

Well if the light bulbs and plasmas don't get you the lack of lead free

I think you meant to say "the _presence_ of lead free" in the above. ;-)

solder in your tv will I guess.
Bloomin EU always goes into these things like Rambo.
Brian

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"Dave Farrance" wrote in message
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Energy-Guzzling Plasma TVs will be Banned in Brussels Eco Blitz

By Fiona Macrae, Daily Mail, 12th January 2009.


The plasma screen television is poised to become the next victim of the
battle to curb energy use.


This will not please the shareholders like myself.
If I am going to be guaranteed a set income in shares based on projected
figures, then your energy prices will need to go up so I don't lose out.


Giant energy-guzzling flatscreens are expected to be banned under
legislation due to be agreed by the EU this spring.


Why shouldn't I be allowed to use a plasma tv. Does it really upset
people who can't afford them that much? Like me driving a 4X4
upsets people on the dole or in crap jobs due to lack of education.
I also use proper 100watt light bulbs in every room.

Plasma screens have been nicknamed the '4x4s' of the living room because
they use up to four times as much electricity and are responsible for up
to four times as much carbon dioxide as traditional cathode ray tube
sets.


If a TV is giving off carbon dioxide it is faulty. Get some plants and
trees
to turn it in to lovely oxygen. Stop people cutting trees down.

The most energy intensive will be phased out under the new EU standards
for minimum energy performance, which will follow the voluntary
withdrawal of the traditional 100watt light bulb.


There is still a huge market for 100w bulbs, save now and put them on ebay.

The remaining TVs of all types will have to carry energy rating labels
designed to make it easy to distinguish between the best and worst
performers.


They already do, power consumption is clearly stated.

LCD flat screen TVs are much more energy efficient than their plasma
cousins so are unlikely to be banned.


Only because there are huge stockpiles of them to be sold before the
new OLED and Laser TVs go on the market.

A 42in LCD TV uses similar amounts of energy to a much smaller
traditional set.


No it doesn't, look at the ones made by LG, Samsung, SONY, Toshiba.

A spokesman for the Department-for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
said the plasma TV would not be banned completely, with eco-friendly sets
remaining on the market.


So you have either not understood what was said or you misquoted.

The moves are part of an effort to tackle climate change by stemming the
spiralling electricity consumption in households.


The only way to stop the natural climate change is to build a time machine!
There is no such thing as global warming, it's an excuse to tax people.

It involves phasing out wasteful devices and introducing low-energy
alternatives.

That's why Vauxhall Motors have thousands of cars they can not sell.
But the Government want people to finance Jaguar, the company that
makes cars with a very high CO2 output qualifying for high tax.


Families have nearly three times as many electrical appliances and
gadgets as a generation ago and the amount of electricity used to power
them has doubled.


No it hasn't as not all devices are in use at once.

Today Britain has 60million television sets - one for every person in
the country.


It's more like treble that fiigure, I have 8 TVs including a thing called a
"TV tile" and a heated mirror! I can afford it so why should others who
scrounge benefits complain because they are jealous.

Plasma screens, which are common in pubs and supermarkets, as well as in
homes, are among the most popular buys.


They are not as popular as LCD due to TV companies using "dogs" which
causes screen burn-in of logos.

A Defra spokesman said that in the past five years the main TV in many
households has changed from being a 24-32in cathode ray model to a 32-42
flatscreen TV.


That is probably true because CRT uses even more power than LCD or Plasma.

I really don't see why you are getting so upset.

James R wrote:

Only because there are huge stockpiles of them to be sold before the
new OLED and Laser TVs go on the market.

You keep coming out with the same bull****, you have absolutely no evidence
for your absurd assertions.

I have 8 TVs including a thing called a
"TV tile"

Is that what it's called?
I saw one in a public lavatory last year
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In article
wrote:
The old 28 inch widescreen Crown CRT TV I used to own consumed 90W
of power,* the 32 inch Lexsor LCD TV which replaced it has a power
consumption of 200W.

I don't need to replace my 28" CRT TV yet, and you just quoted the
reason I don't intend to get a newer better LCD TV. My TV is on for
about four hours a night and I see no reason to use more than 400WH
extra per day.And yes, I do turn the TV off every night, not leave it
on standby.

When the next generation come in and use a reasonable amount of
power,I'll get one.

Simon.

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"Clem Dye" wrote in message
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wrote:
It seems that the only way at the moment be it plasmas, light bulbs,
whatever is to bludgeon the populous into submission, rather than educate,
under the mantle of global warming, something that cannot be conclusively
proved at present (at least to my satisfaction). If LCDs are better for
the environment then let's see the evidence. Given that, IMO, LCD picture
quality, especially motion tracking, is still pretty poor to plasmas I'd
frankly be quite p*ssed-off if I was forced to endure a second rate
solution.

To my mind, if we accept that tungsten bulbs cause global warming, well,
since the possibility of global warming affects us all, surely it would be
right to let everyone make their own decision, based on worries about global
warming, plus price, plus functionality. To ban a product on the grounds
given is like saying "We know better than the little people. They can't be
trusted to make the right decision."

After all, as long as people are allowed to say, "I know flying in
aeroplanes causes global warming but I think it's worth it" they should also
be allowed to say "I know having a nice warm light in my living room causes
global warming but I think it's worth it." How can they ban tungsten light
bubs and not ban travel by plane?

If the decision on whether or not to use tungsten bulbs is left to the
individual, the result would be truly democratic. In effect it would be a
referendum on whether or not tungsten bulbs are worth the CO2 emissions.

Bill