Sound only

Surely this is no different from using a VHS with a B&W TV - didn't you
then only need a B&W licence regardless of receiving the recorded prog
in
colour?

No definitely not. You needed a colour licence if you had a VCR.

Well, possibly, it depends
You don't need a licence to posses a VCR
True.

You don't need a licence to play back tapes.
See below.

You do need a licence if you intend to make an off-air recording with it,
even if you are not equipped to view it.
True.

What is not clear to me is whether a B&W licence will suffice in this
instance.
Unlikely. You are recording a full colour signal.

But don't the terms of the TV licence define monochrome and colour only
in terms of the capability of the display?

Can someone quote Ch:V to the contrary?


I could give the recording to someone else, they would not need
a licence at if all they watched was pre-recorded material.
Maybe, especially if the person who recorded it had a licence.

That would have no implications for this person.

However, are there any implications about copyright etc?

But we are discussing TV licencing.

Lets take this argument one step further, someone show me
why I can't do this:
I have a B&W licence
I record a program on my PVR and chase-play it a few seconds
or minuets (or any time which you decide is not "near real-time")
later, on a colour screen.
Am I within the rules? if not, why not exactly?
No, if it is decreed that you need a full colour licence to record in the
first place (which I think you are).

I don't know. It's commonly assumed that you do, but can someone
cite Ch:v?

I don't think that the TVLA have really got their act together regarding
the difference between watching 'live', 'nearly-live',
'well-delayed-and-not-as-live-as-it-might-be' and
'watch-it-when-you-want'. It's still a bit of a muddle.

As I have a TV licence, such arguments are essentially academic, but I
think that there should not be ways of avoiding paying a licence fee
simply by watching TV programmes at other than their 'normal' live
transmission times.

On the other hand, I don't like to see people charged for a service which
they don't (or can't) use.
--
Ian

--
Graham.

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"Owain" wrote in message
et...
Graham. wrote:
You do need a licence if you intend to make an off-air recording with it,
even if you are not equipped to view it.
What is not clear to me is whether a B&W licence will suffice in this
instance.

Only if you have a VCR that records only in monochrome.

Otherwise you are receiving a colour signal even though it is for viewing
at a later time.



OK, I hear what you say, but can you show me,
in here perhaps?
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2003..._20030021_en_1
--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Surely this is no different from using a VHS with a B&W TV - didn't
you then only need a B&W licence regardless of receiving the recorded
prog in colour?

No definitely not. You needed a colour licence if you had a VCR.

That's not true.

--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Owain wrote:
Graham. wrote:
You do need a licence if you intend to make an off-air recording with it,
even if you are not equipped to view it.
What is not clear to me is whether a B&W licence will suffice in this
instance.

Only if you have a VCR that records only in monochrome.

Otherwise you are receiving a colour signal even though it is for
viewing at a later time.

You're receiving a colour signal on a B&W set too - as the recent Dad's
Army proved...

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*One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.

Dave Plowman London SW
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"Graham." wrote in message
...


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Surely this is no different from using a VHS with a B&W TV - didn't you
then only need a B&W licence regardless of receiving the recorded prog
in
colour?

No definitely not. You needed a colour licence if you had a VCR.

Well, possibly, it depends

No it doesn't. If you have a VCR you can record colour programmes, which you
might take round to a house with a monitor and watch.

I record a program on my PVR and chase-play it a few seconds
or minuets
This will be 'Strictly' I guess.

Bill

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

"Graham." wrote in message
...


"Bill Wright" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Surely this is no different from using a VHS with a B&W TV - didn't
you then only need a B&W licence regardless of receiving the
recorded prog in colour?

No definitely not. You needed a colour licence if you had a VCR.

Well, possibly, it depends

No it doesn't. If you have a VCR you can record colour programmes, which
you might take round to a house with a monitor and watch.

I record a program on my PVR and chase-play it a few seconds or minuets
This will be 'Strictly' I guess.

Still doesn't make sense. You can have a standard VCR and colour TV and
still not need a licence - provided you only use it to play non broadcast
material. Like rental or bought films, etc.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Still doesn't make sense. You can have a standard VCR and colour TV and
still not need a licence - provided you only use it to play non broadcast
material. Like rental or bought films, etc.

I think we are assuming that the VCR is connected to an aerial and is
capable of recording off-air. In which case it needs a licence.

Bill

Go digging in www.tvlicencing.co.uk and you will find that the only time
you can use a B/W TV licence is either when you only have a B/W TV or
when you have a digital TV box but only a B/W TV on which to watch it.
Any other combination requires a colour licence - which is probably why
they never believe you if you say you have a B/W TV!


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:42:02 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

No it doesn't. If you have a VCR you can record colour programmes,
which you might take round to a house with a monitor and watch.

But a television which is being used solely to play back pre-recorded
material does not require a television receiving licence.

Obviously if that television is also installed and used to receive
broadcast television then it needs to be licenced, and since licences
are by address, that television in the other house would not a separate
color television licence to the black and white licence issued for
the house where the recording was made.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:20:22 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

The Humax F2 Fox T has a UHF modulator and a row of well separated
buttons for on/off, up, down, and radio/TV.

And also with its front panel display of the LCN, it makes a great
Freeview *radio* receiver