Sky box auto shutdown nonsence

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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In , "John Russell"
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SKY are only competing with themselves to supply SKY Box's. We would all
be
complaining about the price never coming down if they released a newer,
better, box every 6 months!

No, there have been several generations of Digibox (and remote controls)
spanning the last ten years since Sky digital was launched. Some of them
are described he
http://www.uk-satellite-tv.co.uk/digibox.html

I never said there hadn't been mutiple box's. I said there wasn't the market
pressure, like with TV's, to release newer better models every six months.

"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
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"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
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On 17 Dec, 16:17, "John Russell" wrote:
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On 17 Dec, 10:34, "Adrian" wrote:
John Russell wrote:
It will bugger up any attempts to e.g. record a daily serial
while
away on holiday or where the satellite receiver is used as a
radio
feed.

This is auto-standby, not auto-shutdown, which the SKY can't do
anyway. As others have said, it is greenwash. You don't need your
SKY
to be on to make scheduled recordings. If people think that it's
little wonder so many people leave the SKY on all the time.

You _do_ need it to be on to make scheduled recordings of _radio_.

Or any recordings to a PVR that isn't the cancer of Sky-

So you have a crap PVR which can't be triggered by an external
device -
that's not SKY's problem. Even later VCR's had the ability to be
triggered
externally so this isn't a new idea.

The Sky box doesn't trigger the TiVo but vice versa. Why would it
happen the other way round?
Since the EPG is in the source you want recordings to triggered by that.
The
PVR can't know if program times have been changed. A decent PVR should be
able to monitor an input for video and start recording when video is
present.

To me, a decent PVR allows me to record programmes and allow me to rip
them
direct to my PC, for one thing.

As for video being present, there's no reason why it shouldn't be. A
once-in-
a-blue-moon digibox crash is one thing, but the supplier controlling my
digibox and whether it should go into standby is another. I pay the leccy
bill
in my house so they can get stuffed if they want to pretend to be 'green'.

I have no complaints with my SKY HD box. It allows me to watch and record
SKY HD programs. Try doing that with a Tivo!

No need. I have a regular Sky subscription but prefer to watch HD versions
of
some programmes and torrents help with those.
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So SKY are to worry about your minority problems when you admit your a rip
off merchant! If you actually paid we would be eligible for sympathy, as you
don't you have no right for your complaints to be taken seriously by anyone.

Mike Henry wrote:

In , Dom
Robinson wrote:


For normal Sky digiboxes: the point of it being in standby is: none. A
Negligible amount of power is saved.

Ah but, Ah but - Sky are a 'carbon neutral' company, or so it says on
the vans. This is obviously their 'contribution' to that piece of
nonsense.

J

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"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
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"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
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On 17 Dec, 16:17, "John Russell" wrote:
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message

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On 17 Dec, 10:34, "Adrian" wrote:
John Russell wrote:
It will bugger up any attempts to e.g. record a daily serial
while
away on holiday or where the satellite receiver is used as a
radio
feed.

This is auto-standby, not auto-shutdown, which the SKY can't do
anyway. As others have said, it is greenwash. You don't need your
SKY
to be on to make scheduled recordings. If people think that it's
little wonder so many people leave the SKY on all the time.

You _do_ need it to be on to make scheduled recordings of _radio_.

Or any recordings to a PVR that isn't the cancer of Sky-

So you have a crap PVR which can't be triggered by an external
device -
that's not SKY's problem. Even later VCR's had the ability to be
triggered
externally so this isn't a new idea.

The Sky box doesn't trigger the TiVo but vice versa. Why would it
happen the other way round?
Since the EPG is in the source you want recordings to triggered by that.
The
PVR can't know if program times have been changed. A decent PVR should be
able to monitor an input for video and start recording when video is
present.

To me, a decent PVR allows me to record programmes and allow me to rip
them
direct to my PC, for one thing.

As for video being present, there's no reason why it shouldn't be. A
once-in-
a-blue-moon digibox crash is one thing, but the supplier controlling my
digibox and whether it should go into standby is another. I pay the leccy
bill
in my house so they can get stuffed if they want to pretend to be 'green'.

I have no complaints with my SKY HD box. It allows me to watch and record
SKY HD programs. Try doing that with a Tivo!

No need. I have a regular Sky subscription but prefer to watch HD versions
of
some programmes and torrents help with those.
--

So SKY are to worry about your minority problems when you admit your a rip
off merchant! If you actually paid we would be eligible for sympathy, as you
don't you have no right for your complaints to be taken seriously by anyone.

I do pay. What part did you miss about me being a Sky subscriber?
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:53:43 -0000, "John Russell"
wrote:


"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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In , "John Russell"
wrote:

SKY are only competing with themselves to supply SKY Box's. We would all
be
complaining about the price never coming down if they released a newer,
better, box every 6 months!

No, there have been several generations of Digibox (and remote controls)
spanning the last ten years since Sky digital was launched. Some of them
are described he
http://www.uk-satellite-tv.co.uk/digibox.html

I never said there hadn't been mutiple box's. I said there wasn't the market
pressure, like with TV's, to release newer better models every six months.

I am not sure that there is even a market. It is very difficult to buy a
digibox through normal retail or online channels (argos etc) Mostly they are
free or cheap with a Sky installation or subscription.
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Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

"Conor" wrote in message
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Conor wrote:
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Not on a standard sky box which is what this thread started on.

So in your own words...

More bull****! If you don't know the facts don't bother posting.

You're a ****wit Turton if you can see Radio programmes on a standard sky
EPG prove it. You can't because once again you're a Liar!



I was referring to your comments about the timed recordings.

--
Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams

Add a manual recording (Services6) for the Start and End time and you can
record a radio programme to the HDD

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It's fairly well spoken about .Apprently it happened with a recent
update .It happened to me and I couldn't figure out why until I
happened to see something on Dig Spy about it . If the box isn't used
for a while after 2300 Hrs it issues a warning and then goes in to
stand-by if you don't do anything .
The option can be changed in the Serices menu.
http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skyco...ntentid=691410

Thanks for the link!

We wanted to tape the Australian Open tennis overnight and were *not*
impressed by the digibox developing a mind of its own.

Incidentally, the Sky site says that the digibox will go into standby
between 11pm and 4am if there is no activity, but it does it outside of
those hours as well. It's happened during the evening when we've watched
the same channel for an extended period. The first time we saw that
message was during the Obama inauguration, which took rather a long
time...

I have exercised the option described on the Sky site:

Settings menu of the Sky Guide. Go to Services, 5 - Sky+ Setup,
Auto-Standby: set to off

Helen

Helen Edith Stephenson helen at baronmoss dot demon dot co dot uk
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Website: http://www.wuronga.me.uk/helen/index.html
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"Helen Edith Stephenson" wrote in
message ...
In article ,
writes
[snip]
It's fairly well spoken about .Apprently it happened with a
recent
update .It happened to me and I couldn't figure out why until I
happened to see something on Dig Spy about it . If the box
isn't used
for a while after 2300 Hrs it issues a warning and then goes
in to
stand-by if you don't do anything .
The option can be changed in the Serices menu.
http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skyco...ntentid=691410

Thanks for the link!

We wanted to tape the Australian Open tennis overnight and were
*not*
impressed by the digibox developing a mind of its own.

Incidentally, the Sky site says that the digibox will go into
standby
between 11pm and 4am if there is no activity, but it does it
outside of
those hours as well. It's happened during the evening when
we've watched
the same channel for an extended period. The first time we saw
that
message was during the Obama inauguration, which took rather a
long
time...

I have exercised the option described on the Sky site:

Settings menu of the Sky Guide. Go to Services, 5 - Sky+ Setup,
Auto-Standby: set to off

Helen

Helen Edith Stephenson helen at baronmoss dot demon dot co dot
uk
--
(I'm sure you can figure out what I
mean!)
Website:
http://www.wuronga.me.uk/helen/index.html
Blog: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/helenedithuk


Auto-standby may have nothing to do with the failure to record
the Australian Open.

The Sky+ recording functions depend upon the Electronic Programme
Guide (EPG). Individual broadcasters are responsible for
providing accurate EPG data to Sky.

Most broadcasters keep their EPG data up to date. Some
broadcasters (which include the BBC and Sky) even send Start and
Finish signals at the beginning and end of their programmes.
Sky+ can recognise these Start and Finish signals, so provided
the broadcaster has maintained the EPG properly, Sky+ can extend
recording times automatically. This is particularly useful when
sports coverage overruns - which is why the BBC and Sky Sports
manage to avoid too many problems on their channels.

It is rather unfortunate that this year's Australian Open
coverage is carried by British Eurosport - who pay scant regard
to viewers' needs. Although the Australian broadcaster films the
matches in 16:9 widescreen, Eurosport convert the broadcasts into
4:3 standard ratio.

Sadly, Eurosport never update their EPG data to accomodate
programme overruns - and have been known to switch coverage
between Eurosport One and Eurosport Two, without adjusting any of
the EPG information.

In the absence of up to date programme data, Sky+ records
according to the published schedule. Consequently, a viewer
might find that instead of tennis, Sky+ has recorded Ski-jumping
or motor racing. To add insult to injury, Sky+ rarely offers the
Series Link marker.

With the latest tennis coverage, Eurosport billed this morning's
programme as "Live Australian Open". Then, they changed the
timings on the EPG - and also changed the programme description
to "Live Murray vs Granollers". I noticed the change - and
re-programmed my Sky+. Consequently, I was able to record the
programme OK. However, a digibox does not have "a mind of its
own". It acts upon data provided by the broadcaster, so anyone
who had programmed Sky+ before Eurosport changed the schedule
would have lost this morning's coverage.

Sky do not provide or implement changes to the EPG data - so it
is not their fault. However, the situation with Eurosport is
unacceptable. Viewers pay to view these programmes, so I believe
a strongly worded complaint would be fully justified. Sadly, I
doubt whether Eurosport would listen to individual complaints.
However, they might respond to pressure from Sky.

Bob Lucas wrote:

"Helen Edith Stephenson" wrote:

We wanted to tape the Australian Open tennis overnight and were *not*
impressed by the digibox developing a mind of its own.

Auto-standby may have nothing to do with the failure to record the
Australian Open.

Auto-standby would cause the failure if the Sky+ box was being used simply as
a digibox, with the recording of its output being made on a different machine
(which is what I understood the PP to mean).

Sky do not provide or implement changes to the EPG data - so it is not
their fault. However, the situation with Eurosport is unacceptable.
Viewers pay to view these programmes, so I believe a strongly worded
complaint would be fully justified. Sadly, I doubt whether Eurosport
would listen to individual complaints. However, they might respond to
pressure from Sky.

I'm sure it's possible to set the Sky+ box to record by manual programming
(like a VHS recorder). That way, the "slot" could be sufficiently padded to
cater for likely over-running.

"JNugent" wrote in message
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Bob Lucas wrote:

"Helen Edith Stephenson" wrote:

We wanted to tape the Australian Open tennis overnight and
were *not*
impressed by the digibox developing a mind of its own.

Auto-standby may have nothing to do with the failure to record
the Australian Open.

Auto-standby would cause the failure if the Sky+ box was being
used simply as a digibox, with the recording of its output
being made on a different machine (which is what I understood
the PP to mean).

Sky do not provide or implement changes to the EPG data - so
it is not their fault. However, the situation with Eurosport
is unacceptable. Viewers pay to view these programmes, so I
believe a strongly worded complaint would be fully justified.
Sadly, I doubt whether Eurosport would listen to individual
complaints. However, they might respond to pressure from Sky.

I'm sure it's possible to set the Sky+ box to record by manual
programming (like a VHS recorder). That way, the "slot" could
be sufficiently padded to cater for likely over-running.

Yes. That is possible. But manual recording won't help, if the
broadcaster switches a programme from Eurosport 1 to Eurosport 2
(or vice versa). That happens from time to time with Eurosport.

With Eurosport, another solution might be to tell Sky+ to record
the next few programmes that are listed in the EPG - to cater for
overruns.

Incidentally, BBC2 broadcast the Murray v Melzer match live. The
schedule over-ran by almost one hour.

BBC manage the EPG properly, so the match recorded in its
entirety.