Sky box auto shutdown nonsence

In article 177485ce-1b17-4c27-b9f7-1e2fefdef8c1
@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com, Dom Robinson says...

And the point of it being in standby is? Oh yes... none.

Is pretty much the right answer. Sky+ standby is nigh on useless.

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In article , Adrian
says...
Conor wrote:
In article , Adrian
says...

Not on a standard sky box which is what this thread started on.

So in your own words...

More bull****! If you don't know the facts don't bother posting.

You're a ****wit Turton if you can see Radio programmes on a standard sky
EPG prove it. You can't because once again you're a Liar!



I was referring to your comments about the timed recordings.

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On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 at 07:32:40, Dom Robinson
wrote in uk.media.tv.sky :

It took me a couple of days before I realised what was happening as
the first time I just assumed the box had crashed, so started it back
up, then after it did it again the following morning - losing
recordings both times - I googled the problem.

Sky mentioned the auto-standby thing over a year ago, and for Sky-
boxes only. It serves **** all purpose for anyone and whoever thought
of it should be killed.

Given that it was presumably some loony Greens, a case could be made...

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"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
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On 17 Dec, 14:17, Conor wrote:
In article , says...

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:34:08 -0000, "Adrian" wrote:

John Russell wrote:
It will bugger up any attempts to e.g. record a daily serial while
away on holiday or where the satellite receiver is used as a radio
feed.

This is auto-standby, not auto-shutdown, which the SKY can't do
anyway. As others have said, it is greenwash. You don't need your
SKY
to be on to make scheduled recordings. If people think that it's
little wonder so many people leave the SKY on all the time.

You _do_ need it to be on to make scheduled recordings of _radio_.

I'm sure ,in response to a thread in DS,that I tried recording
something then putting my Dodgybox in to standby and the recording (
TV Programme) failed at that point onwards .

Shouldn't have done. I record Click on BBC News at 4am and it's on
Standby when I pop off to bed.

And the point of it being in standby is? Oh yes... none.

My 2p worth here. I have Sky HD, and was aware Sky had released the firmware
with the Auto Standby feature. For a few weeks after this, I noticed that
recordings that were due to be recorded the next morning rarely worked, and
the Sky box was unresponsive (wouldn't come out of Standby, or acknowledge
remote signals at all) nearly every morning. I had to unplug the box and
power it up again to make it wake up.

After some experimentation, I discovered that the box was going into Auto
Standby. After disabling Auto Standby the problem disappeared. A few months
later I re-enabled it to see if this issue had been fixed, but the problem
returned. I then disabled it again, and I've not had the problem since. Auto
Standby is still disabled to this day on my box.

This was a long time ago of course - they may have fixed this bug since
then, but according to my energy monitor socket, the Sky box hardly saves
anything in Standby compared to being powered up. The power consumption
obviously differed depending what the box was doing - just watching an SD
channel used about 25 Watts, recording two HD channels while playing another
HD recording used 35 Watts. In standby it used 20 Watts. Auto Standby only
kicks in after a few hours of inactivity during the early hours of the
morning. For me, I calculated it saved around 5 Watts for 4 hours. Or on my
electricity tariff at the time about 0.018p of electricity per day. A decent
kettle uses 560 times as much electricity while boiling. The daily saving if
Auto Standby, for me, equates to around 6 seconds of boiling my kettle. My
point being, there are better ways to save electricity, and for me, the
hassle of the missed recordings and having to reboot the Sky Box more than
outweighed the 6p I'd save a year on electricity. Sorry environment, but
that's the way it is.

Anyway - Auto Standby, in my humble opinion, sucks.

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Vincent

John Russell wrote:
It will bugger up any attempts to e.g. record a daily serial while
away on holiday or where the satellite receiver is used as a radio
feed.

This is auto-standby, not auto-shutdown, which the SKY can't do anyway. As
others have said, it is greenwash. You don't need your SKY to be on to make
scheduled recordings. If people think that it's little wonder so many people
leave the SKY on all the time.


I used to program recordings using the EPG and set the VCR to external
control but I found the EPG less reliable than leaving the box on and
setting the timer on the VCR.

I might use the EPG if there are several programs on several channels
that I might like to record while I am out. But if I want to be sure of
getting it I rely on the VCR timer. (Or just press record before I go
out/to bed)

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:35:35 -0000, "Gary"
wrote:


"Adrian" wrote in message
news:[email protected] com...
Ekul Namsob wrote:
Adrian wrote:

John Russell wrote:
It will bugger up any attempts to e.g. record a daily serial while
away on holiday or where the satellite receiver is used as a radio
feed.

This is auto-standby, not auto-shutdown, which the SKY can't do
anyway. As others have said, it is greenwash. You don't need your
SKY to be on to make scheduled recordings. If people think that it's
little wonder so many people leave the SKY on all the time.

You _do_ need it to be on to make scheduled recordings of _radio_.

You might but mine (a Thomson Sky+ HD) will happily make scheduled
radio recordings while in standby. (Or should I say, "If you don't
know the facts, don't bother posting"?)

Cheers,
Luke

How do you do that when the EPG doesn't have radio programmes?

Look under radio in epg guide menu and there are radio programs on the EPG
which you can record just like TV progs.

Gary

No, you can see radio channels for which you can set up manual timed
recordings. That is not the same at all as searching through the EPG for a
particular programme & selecting that to be recorded.
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Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

On 17 Dec, 16:17, "John Russell" wrote:
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message

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On 17 Dec, 10:34, "Adrian" wrote:
John Russell wrote:
It will bugger up any attempts to e.g. record a daily serial while
away on holiday or where the satellite receiver is used as a radio
feed.

This is auto-standby, not auto-shutdown, which the SKY can't do
anyway. As others have said, it is greenwash. You don't need your SKY
to be on to make scheduled recordings. If people think that it's
little wonder so many people leave the SKY on all the time.

You _do_ need it to be on to make scheduled recordings of _radio_.

Or any recordings to a PVR that isn't the cancer of Sky-

So you have a crap PVR which can't be triggered by an external device -
that's not SKY's problem. Even later VCR's had the ability to be triggered
externally so this isn't a new idea.

The Sky box doesn't trigger the TiVo but vice versa. Why would it
happen the other way round?

Funny how you consider any other PVR crap compared to the Sky+ since
anyone with a brain who's experienced a different brand to that seems
to think different.

On 17 Dec, 00:17, Mike Henry wrote:
In ,

Dom Robinson wrote:
One thing that happened to my Pace and of those in the DS thread I
linked earlier, a few days later the software was reversed so the
'feature' went anyway.

Interesting. Still no sign of it on my Pace (9F0701). Sounds as if there
was a problem with the Paces and they not only didn't finish the roll-out
to the rest of the Pace models, but they rolled back too.

But that is probably temporary - my old spare Grundig (4E0301) got the
upgrade to EPG 3.7.6 last Thursday, so it seems that they're pressing
ahead with the other models.

Let us know how that goes. However, is anyone else having problems
with the Other Channels lately? I went into the menu recently when I
entered the BBC1 and BBC2 variants and found the old ones I put in
were there.

However, since then I've found the list blank when I've gone back in -
two days on the trot, both times when I was just about to record
something (GRRR!!!)

Anyone know what the problem is here? I've gone back into the Other
Channels menu just after adding them and they are there, so I can
select them, but the next day they're gone!

I'm using these Other Channels to avoid getting those annoying 'press
red' logos for unrelated concerts popping up, eg. what the hell is the
point of "Paul Weller and Adele" appearing 25 mins into Lead Balloon?!
I'm watching Lead Balloon! I don't want intrusions like that, nor do I
want to have then to press a button to get rid of it after it ruined
the atmosphere.

"Dom Robinson" wrote in message
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On 17 Dec, 16:17, "John Russell" wrote:
"Dom Robinson" wrote in message

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On 17 Dec, 10:34, "Adrian" wrote:
John Russell wrote:
It will bugger up any attempts to e.g. record a daily serial while
away on holiday or where the satellite receiver is used as a radio
feed.

This is auto-standby, not auto-shutdown, which the SKY can't do
anyway. As others have said, it is greenwash. You don't need your
SKY
to be on to make scheduled recordings. If people think that it's
little wonder so many people leave the SKY on all the time.

You _do_ need it to be on to make scheduled recordings of _radio_.

Or any recordings to a PVR that isn't the cancer of Sky-

So you have a crap PVR which can't be triggered by an external device -
that's not SKY's problem. Even later VCR's had the ability to be
triggered
externally so this isn't a new idea.

The Sky box doesn't trigger the TiVo but vice versa. Why would it
happen the other way round?
Since the EPG is in the source you want recordings to triggered by that. The
PVR can't know if program times have been changed. A decent PVR should be
able to monitor an input for video and start recording when video is
present.

I have no complaints with my SKY HD box. It allows me to watch and record
SKY HD programs. Try doing that with a Tivo!

Paul Martin wrote:

In article ,
Light of Aria wrote:

Who the **** do Sky think they are shutting down devices in peoples' homes
without so much as a formal letter of notice or the basic courtesy of asking
for consent? (Rhetorical question).

Sony Digibox VTX-S750U:

Active: 16.5W (25VA)
Standby: 15W (25VA)


Amstrad DRX-100 (not connected to LNB):

Active: 17W (25VA)
Standby: 16W (25VA)

All it seems to do is change the Power Factor of the box. The same
electricity has to be generated, but as a domestic consumer the power
company can only charge you for 60% of it in standby or 66% of it when
active.

This isn't even slightly green. There is no change in the energy that
has to be generated to supply the digibox.

For the benefit of those of us whose talents lie elsewhere, could you
please explain that in layman's terms? I thought electricity was charged
in kWh and that meant that a one thousand watt appliance, left on for an
hour, would use 1 kWh. Am I to understand that this only approximates to
the energy usage?

Cheers,
Luke


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