Sony PS4 to be capable of Super Hi Vision aka Ultra High Definition

Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision?

by Matthew on December 10, 2008

Super Hi-Vision is a technology that was first introduced in 2003. It
has various names such as UHDTV (ultra high definition television) and
makes 1080p (Full HD) look small. SHV runs at a resolution of 7680 x
4320 pixels which is the equivalent of 16 1080p screens stitched
together. According to a report in September from the BBC they say
that SHV will be coming to the home around 2015 although many changes
can happen in 7 years from now. What they are aiming to do is step up
another level to what ever that might be. All we do know is that
resolutions will be a lot higher then they are now to give you an even
finer image. It’s debatable about how much you will actually notice on
screen sizes that are commonly seen in the home.

Although it appears that Sony will be introducing the PS4 around 2012
(3 years earlier then SHV), will Sony be preparing the PS4 to handle
SHV services? Due to the resolutions of the current SHV tests a
bandwidth of 180–600 Mbit/s was needed to display test images in
Tokyo. Uncompressed, a 20 minute video would require 3.5Tb of storage.
As you can see, Super Hi-Vision will take a lot of resources which are
not cheaply available just yet. In 4 years things will be different
though and massive amount of data will be handled every second.

My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p
format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill
for the home and won’t be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after
the PS4’s launch.

http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-rea...sion-12105110/


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If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully,
Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by
2015 though.

In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 NV55 wrote:

Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision?

by Matthew on December 10, 2008

Super Hi-Vision is a technology that was first introduced in 2003. It
has various names such as UHDTV (ultra high definition television) and
makes 1080p (Full HD) look small. SHV runs at a resolution of 7680 x
4320 pixels which is the equivalent of 16 1080p screens stitched
together. According to a report in September from the BBC they say
that SHV will be coming to the home around 2015 although many changes
can happen in 7 years from now. What they are aiming to do is step up
another level to what ever that might be. All we do know is that
resolutions will be a lot higher then they are now to give you an even
finer image. It?s debatable about how much you will actually notice on
screen sizes that are commonly seen in the home.

Matthew is an idiot if he thinks Sony is even considering this...

Let's see... Screens capable of 720p or better still make up - at best -
around 30% of the total TVs in the US market, and it's even lower
elsewhere.

Even the best graphics processors for the PC are topping out
at just north of 1080p resolutions - and now you want to seriously do a
game that's going to push ~16x the pixels?

Not to mention the fact that even the creators of SHV admit that it'll
probably never make it into a consumer product - there's no real use for
it. Even on a 100" screen, you aren't going to see any real improvement
over 1080p which makes SHV a waste of money.

Finally, what exactly does Matthew think is going to be available in SHV
by then? It's going to be years before the TV studios finish upgrading to
HD - and that's only going to be 720p for the most part. It'll be
decades before they go 1080p. Blu-ray is 1080p and even that isn't
offering enough of an improvement to get folks to jump on board. Video
games are mainly in 720p this generation, with the next generation
expected to be largely 1080p. What does Matthew think Sony is going to
do? Shove 16 Cell processors into the PS4 for the low-low-price of $4000
with an insane $2000 loss on each unit - and I'm being generous here!

Although it appears that Sony will be introducing the PS4 around 2012
(3 years earlier then SHV), will Sony be preparing the PS4 to handle
SHV services? Due to the resolutions of the current SHV tests a
bandwidth of 180?600 Mbit/s was needed to display test images in
Tokyo. Uncompressed, a 20 minute video would require 3.5Tb of storage.
As you can see, Super Hi-Vision will take a lot of resources which are
not cheaply available just yet. In 4 years things will be different
though and massive amount of data will be handled every second.

Oh sure, in 4 years we'll go from 25GB blu-ray discs to a new removable
media capable of storing 25TB. No problem. And all those folks who
bought blu-ray already? Bah. **** on them! Who needs 'em? The true
high end fans will always be willing to throw away thousands of dollars on
each new technology immediatly when it's released. After all, it's only
money!

My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p
format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill
for the home and won?t be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after
the PS4?s launch.

http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-rea...sion-12105110/


10 years from now and we'll still be making the transition to 1080p. I
don't think we'll see another transition for the next 20 years, minimum.

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If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully,
Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by
2015 though.

They're still no where near 7680x4320 though. In today's technology you'd
need roughly 6 to 8 GPUs and over ONE TB of VRAM. Yeah, like that'll be
affordable even in 10 years time.

Don't forget, console hardware is usually finalized about 2 years before the
console is released. So if Sony is seriously going to release the PS4 in
2012, that means it's going to be built with 2010 technology.

This so-called journalist is just trying to meet his quota with this
utterly useless article. I could have saved the publication a bunch of
space by rewriting the "article" thusly:

"Is Sony considering SHV for the PS4?"
No.

End of article.

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It's not broken. It's...advanced.

"NV55" wrote in message
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If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully,
Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by
2015 though.



the ps3 can't even do 1080p for most games - and most 720p ones can't stick
to a steady 60fps - so they should work on 60fps 1080p games before
attempting more.



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

This is the first I heard of UHDTV.

My first two concerns a that the TV news folk already often have a nasty
complexion problem with 1080i; and that many Blu-Ray discs already provide
higher resolution than needed to see the film grain.

On Dec 11, 4:09*pm, "QN" wrote:
This is the first I heard of UHDTV.

My first two concerns a that the TV news folk already often have a nasty
complexion problem with 1080i; and that many Blu-Ray discs already provide
higher resolution than needed to see the film grain.



UHDTV has been in development for at least 5 years, although I don't
expect it to be in consumer use for several decades.

Just like HDTV went into development in the late 1960s, first demo'ed
in the early 1980s, but wasn't in use until 1991 in Japan (analog
HDTV) and digital HD went into use in the late 90s, and has taken
another decade to reach any reasonable level of penetration, UHDTV,
or something similar that is a large increase over 1080p is a long,
LONG way away.


PS4 will be using the same HDTV standards that are in use today. There
should be more games developed in native 1080p (hopefully they can run
at 60fps) compared to most PS3 games which are 720p, 30fps (and often
don't even maintain a constant 30fps).

There's a significant number of PS3 (and Xbox 360) games which are
rendered at sub-HD resolutions, below 720p. With PS4, I expect no
games will be below 720p, and I expect a more even split between the
amount of 720p and 1080p games, whereas less than 5% of today's PS3
games are native 1080p.

"QN" wrote in message
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This is the first I heard of UHDTV.

My first two concerns a that the TV news folk already often have a
nasty complexion problem with 1080i; and that many Blu-Ray discs already
provide higher resolution than needed to see the film grain.

WHO is going to have a screen large enough in their home for this to even
matter??? Who is going to hook up a PS4 to a 200 inch screen? Your not
going to see this resolution on a 50-60" screen that's for sure. What's the
point? Hell I was playing the PS3 a couple days ago at Best Buy, the game
Guitar Hero World Tour and it would hiccup a few times on each song and the
graphic's was a let down. My Xbox 360 plays the same game smoothly and the
graphic's look better. Not sure if it's the 360's Automatic AA that's
helping, but it really was annoying trying to play while it would flash
freeze right in the middle of a song. I think the PS3 once again like the
PS2 was over hyped and under delivered. Since I really didn't plan to buy
a PS3 for the games and I have the 360 and more games to play then I know
what to do with, and all that was left is as a Blu-Ray player, I got the
Panasonic BD35 Blu-Ray player at Costco for $199, or Half the price of the
PS3, with a High Review from CNET with Editors Choice. I can only hope
Sony doesn't screw up the PS4.

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Dec 11, 1:45*pm, NV55 wrote:
Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision?
My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p
format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill
for the home and won’t be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after
the PS4’s launch.

http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-rea...r-hi-vision-12...
__________________________________________________ _______________________________

If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. *Thankfully,
Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. * It shouldn't be a problem by
2015 though.


It is insane NOT to stick to 1080p and perfect it for about all
gaming. Get it right, get it gorgeous, and make sure it fully works.
If they want to throw in such resolution AS AN OPTION, that is fine.
But they really should target 1080p as the base.

- Rich

On Dec 11, 12:36*pm, "The dog from that film you saw"
wrote:
"NV55" wrote in message

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If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. *Thankfully,
Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. * It shouldn't be a problem by
2015 though.

I'm really looking forward to seeing a console at BestBuy with a $1500
sticker price.



-goro-

"Rich Hutnik" wrote in message
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On Dec 11, 1:45 pm, NV55 wrote:
Will Sony Ready the PS4 for Super Hi-Vision?
My personal opinion is that Sony will stick to the regular 1080p
format for the PS4 as Super Hi-Vision is probably a bit of overkill
for the home and won’t be cheaply available for maybe 10 years after
the PS4’s launch.

http://www.ps4talk.com/will-sony-rea...r-hi-vision-12...
__________________________________________________ _______________________________

If PlayStation4 renders realtime graphics in native 7680 x 4320p it
will take one HELL of a graphics processor to do that. Thankfully,
Nvidia is probably up to the challenge. Their current multi GPU /
graphics card solutions (SLI) for PCs allow resolutions well beyond
1080p, Although not yet upto 4320p. It shouldn't be a problem by
2015 though.


It is insane NOT to stick to 1080p and perfect it for about all
gaming. Get it right, get it gorgeous, and make sure it fully works.
If they want to throw in such resolution AS AN OPTION, that is fine.
But they really should target 1080p as the base.

- Rich

It's just pointless and stupid. You would need like a 200" TV screen for a
resolution like this to even matter. Who in their right mind would have
screens this size in there home. Maybe if you have a huge wall you could
use as a screen, but the market for such a size of screen is SMALL. Sure
commercial screens outside on buildings is one thing, but it'll NEVER be
used for a game console.

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **