Antiference XG16CD alternative?

On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:40:26 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

[SNIP]

Agreed, although you'd be surprised at how many loft aerials seem to be OK
for a while, but play up occasionally. This is really the problem with them.
Even in a really bad reception area it's often possible to get a decent
result, but it doesn't last.

My longest is 10 years now and no problems....

You over-rate the problems of external aerials. The vast majorty are
installed, sit up there for 15 or 25 years, then have to be replaced.
Nothing else occurs.

Yeah, you just have not lived in a windy location...

Which reminds me of another reason I prefer loft mounted aerials, they
don't make a racket when the wind blows :-)

I'm not anti-loft aerial. I've installed many hundreds of loft aerials.
Actually I dread to think how many because for years (during the 70s and
80s) one of the local councils near here insisted on having a loft aerial in
every house and bungalow they built, and they built a great many, and I put
a loft aerial in every one. There's quite an art to it, although if you've
been lucky, which you obviously have, you've probably say there's nothing to
it. I'd say that it's surprising how a bit of time spend investigating all
posible locations can pay off.


I would say that every loft aerial I have done has been meticulously
planned. I know exactly where the transmitter is, the location in the loft
has been planned to avoid any internal or external objects, and electrics.
I have never had to point it through a gable end, I use as much Al as
possible and I have a neat none metallic mounting system (cause I don't
want the the mount to disturb my signal). They have all cost much more
than an external solution would, but have all worked perfectly. The one
that is 10 years old looks as good today as the day it was put in.

Another factor that may have helped is that none of the lofts have had
pipes or water tanks. Well this one does, but I took the angle grinder to
it today and it is now in two pieces ready to come down through the loft
door and take a trip to the tip next weekend.


JAB.

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Jonathan A. Buzzard Email: jonathan (at) buzzard.me.uk
Fife, United Kingdom.

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Agreed, although you'd be surprised at how many loft aerials seem to be
OK
for a while, but play up occasionally. This is really the problem with
them.
Even in a really bad reception area it's often possible to get a decent
result, but it doesn't last.

My longest is 10 years now and no problems....
You are generalising from a small sample. I am generalising from a sample of
exceedingly large proportions.


You over-rate the problems of external aerials. The vast majorty are
installed, sit up there for 15 or 25 years, then have to be replaced.
Nothing else occurs.

Yeah, you just have not lived in a windy location...
Ha! Where I live is irrelevant. I've installed many thousands of aerials all
over the UK, many of them on very tall buildings. And actually, I live in a
very windy place, on top of a hill.

I would say that every loft aerial I have done has been meticulously
planned.
Planning can't alter the laws of physics, or take into account the
unexpected.

I know exactly where the transmitter is, the location in the loft
has been planned to avoid any internal or external objects, and electrics.
I have never had to point it through a gable end, I use as much Al as
possible and I have a neat none metallic mounting system (cause I don't
want the the mount to disturb my signal). They have all cost much more
than an external solution would, but have all worked perfectly. The one
that is 10 years old looks as good today as the day it was put in.
I'm pleased to hear of your success. It comes a poor second to mine though.
I have installed many hundreds of loft aerials that have been a total
success. Hundreds and hundreds of the bloody things!

All of this is fair enough, but the fact is that in general loft aerials are
very much second best. One of the most common jobs for working aerial
installers is fitting a new roof aerial as a replacement for the nearly new
loft aerial that the owner had insisted on. ("Why should I pay twice?"
"Because you didn't ****ing listen.")


Another factor that may have helped is that none of the lofts have had
pipes or water tanks.
No, what's done it for you is that by merest chance you've never installed
in a place where field strength, co-channel interference, or mutipath have
presented a serious problem.

Bill

In article , Jonathan Buzzard
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:40:26 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

[SNIP]

Agreed, although you'd be surprised at how many loft aerials seem to be OK
for a while, but play up occasionally. This is really the problem with them.
Even in a really bad reception area it's often possible to get a decent
result, but it doesn't last.

My longest is 10 years now and no problems....

You over-rate the problems of external aerials. The vast majorty are
installed, sit up there for 15 or 25 years, then have to be replaced.
Nothing else occurs.

Yeah, you just have not lived in a windy location...

Which reminds me of another reason I prefer loft mounted aerials, they
don't make a racket when the wind blows :-)

Seems your in an OK signal area. Many aren't so fortunate!...

I'm not anti-loft aerial. I've installed many hundreds of loft aerials.
Actually I dread to think how many because for years (during the 70s and
80s) one of the local councils near here insisted on having a loft aerial in
every house and bungalow they built, and they built a great many, and I put
a loft aerial in every one. There's quite an art to it, although if you've
been lucky, which you obviously have, you've probably say there's nothing to
it. I'd say that it's surprising how a bit of time spend investigating all
posible locations can pay off.


I would say that every loft aerial I have done has been meticulously
planned. I know exactly where the transmitter is, the location in the loft
has been planned to avoid any internal or external objects, and electrics.
I have never had to point it through a gable end, I use as much Al as
possible and I have a neat none metallic mounting system (cause I don't
want the the mount to disturb my signal). They have all cost much more
than an external solution would, but have all worked perfectly. The one
that is 10 years old looks as good today as the day it was put in.

Another factor that may have helped is that none of the lofts have had
pipes or water tanks. Well this one does, but I took the angle grinder to
it today and it is now in two pieces ready to come down through the loft
door and take a trip to the tip next weekend.


OK ... so your able to walk on water too...

JAB.


--
Tony Sayer

The discussion of loft aerials reminds me of something. I haven't seen this
myself, but apparently loft aerials can be affected by radiation from flat
screen TV sets in the room below.

Bill