Freesat / Freeview

"Malcolm H" wrote in message
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Is it worth getting Freesat or sticking with Freeview?

Get "Freesat from Sky". Still no subscription and total
equipment/installation cost £75.

See: http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/pay-once.aspx

Doing Freesat will cost a lot more that £75

Go for the Argos 4 month 4 pack deal
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5321502/c_1/1|category_root|Home+entertainment+and+sat+nav|101 99181/c_2/2|cat_10199181|Digital+boxes+and+services|10199362 .htm

but don't forget to cancel the packs after 4 months, which will
then leave you with FreeSatfromSky which will give you far
more tat TV channels than Freeview with it's very limited
number of MUXs ever will

And loads of radio channels you'll never want to listen to

Steve Terry

http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/

The *real* price for FreesatFromSky is £150.

You are referring to Pay Once Watch Forever, yet another Sky con-name:
1) "you get over 230 free digital channels and *4 months* of Sky TVs
most popular entertainment mixes." So it's not PayOnceWatchForEver,
it PayOnceWatchFor4Months.

2) Further, looking at the four Sky packages available on 4 months
free trial, I cannot see a single HD channel, even for the limited 4
months, much less permanently.

So I presume that this doesn't include HD, which, as with
FreesatFromSky, would only be available through the extra expense,
trouble, and some uncertainty of finding a used Sky+ box from
somewhere like eBay.

Sky+ PVR functionality is also not available via either option,
whereas it will shortly be from Freesat as and when kit becomes
available.

And Lidl regularly have offers of full DIY kit, though AFAIAA SD, for
about £60.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:10:46 -0000, "David"
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"Java Jive" wrote in message
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You can't get ITV HD with a Sky box ...

Nor can Freesat get some HD that are on a Skybox.
Maybe cable different again too.

ExISS wrote:

Freesat also allows you to decide what region you wish to live in, you
can avoid some of the less than superb local programmes.

What is the EPG like on freesat.

Geoff Lane

"Geoff Lane" wrote in message
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ExISS wrote:

Freesat also allows you to decide what region you wish to live in, you
can avoid some of the less than superb local programmes.

What is the EPG like on freesat.

Good.

Bill

"Java Jive" wrote in message
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http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/

The *real* price for FreesatFromSky is £150.

You are referring to Pay Once Watch Forever, yet another Sky con-name:
1) "you get over 230 free digital channels and *4 months* of Sky TVs
most popular entertainment mixes." So it's not PayOnceWatchForEver,
it PayOnceWatchFor4Months.

Rubbish!

The price is £75. All you have to do is remember to cancel the
'Entertainment mixes' before 4 months have passed. You will be left with
'over 230 free channels' including all the BBC and ITV channels, Ch.4 and
FIVE.

Malcolm H wrote:

"Java Jive" wrote in message
The price is £75. All you have to do is remember to cancel the
'Entertainment mixes' before 4 months have passed. You will be left with
'over 230 free channels' including all the BBC and ITV channels, Ch.4
and FIVE.

I seem to remember from a few years ago that you must telephone - you
can't write or e-mail. It took ages to call and even longer to get the
cancellation done. It was quite intimidating. Has it changed at all or
is there still some inertia-selling going on?

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Malcolm H wrote:

"Java Jive" wrote in message The price is £75. All you
have to do is remember to cancel the 'Entertainment mixes' before 4
months have passed. You will be left with 'over 230 free channels'
including all the BBC and ITV channels, Ch.4 and FIVE.

I seem to remember from a few years ago that you must telephone - you
can't write or e-mail. It took ages to call and even longer to get the
cancellation done. It was quite intimidating. Has it changed at all or is
there still some inertia-selling going on?

Another Dave
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Yes, I believe the only way is to telephone and yes, it can be frustrating -
but you only have to do it once!

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:16:42 -0000, "Malcolm H"
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"Java Jive" wrote in message
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http://www.freesatfromsky.co.uk/

The *real* price for FreesatFromSky is £150.

You are referring to Pay Once Watch Forever, yet another Sky con-name:
1) "you get over 230 free digital channels and *4 months* of Sky TVs
most popular entertainment mixes." So it's not PayOnceWatchForEver,
it PayOnceWatchFor4Months.

All you have to do is remember to cancel the
'Entertainment mixes' before 4 months have passed.

Like most Sky promotions, it's deliberately misleading. Like choosing
"FreeToView" and "Freesat From Sky" as brand names to compete with
"Freeview" and "Freesat", it's a deliberate muddying of the waters, a
deliberate sowing of confusion.

The impression given to a casual glance is that £75 gets you
everything listed FOR EVER, why do you think they chose those actual
words? It's only when you read the small print that it becomes
apparent that for those channels you might actually want to watch,
it's actually PayOnceWatchFor4Months.

And, has already been pointed out, you have to remember to cancel - I
wonder how many actually forget, and end up paying subscription for a
while - and the cancellation process itself is somewhat tortuous.

You will be left with
'over 230 free channels' including all the BBC and ITV channels, Ch.4 and
FIVE.

Noone can possibly watch 230 channels, there aren't enough hours in
the day - what matters is quality, not quantity.

Considering the channels with any sort of claim to quality, the *only*
real advantage is the presence of Five, and even that may not be for
long, though, amid the current conflicting reports, how long seems to
be anybody's guess. Meanwhile, it's already available to most people
in the UK via analogue terrestrial, while the worthwhile ones among
the rest are also either already available via Freeview/Freesat/FTA or
seemingly dross.

On Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 16:43:04h +0000, Java Jive explained:

Like most Sky promotions, it's deliberately misleading. Like
choosing "FreeToView" and "Freesat From Sky" as brand names to
compete with "Freeview" and "Freesat", it's a deliberate muddying of
the waters, a deliberate sowing of confusion.

Or even worse, that some stations for which you are paying
eg Deutsche Welle TV are available FTA on another satellite
(Astra 19,2 East).

Rupert Murdoch did not become a billionaire other than through
such devious methods.

In message , Java Jive
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And, has already been pointed out, you have to remember to cancel - I
wonder how many actually forget, and end up paying subscription for a
while - and the cancellation process itself is somewhat tortuous.

If everyone cancelled they would make a loss on the deal and it would be
withdrawn. This may suggest that the majority of people don't cancel.

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