psychological problem

Today I has a customer who expressed dissatisfaction with the picture on his
Panasonic plasma. He clicked through the analogue channels, then switched to
Sky HD (via the HDMI) and flicked through the SD channels. "None of them are
good pictures!" When I put an HD channel on he said "That's a lot better."
It wasn't that he didn't understand the difference between HD and SD. In
concept he did. But he'd got used to Sky HD and the HD picture from the
games machine, and it was making him think that there was something wrong
with an SD picture.
This is to me an interesting new development, which I suppose could have
been predicted.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
Today I has a customer who expressed dissatisfaction with the picture on his
Panasonic plasma. He clicked through the analogue channels, then switched to
Sky HD (via the HDMI) and flicked through the SD channels. "None of them are
good pictures!" When I put an HD channel on he said "That's a lot better."
It wasn't that he didn't understand the difference between HD and SD. In
concept he did. But he'd got used to Sky HD and the HD picture from the
games machine, and it was making him think that there was something wrong
with an SD picture.
This is to me an interesting new development, which I suppose could have
been predicted.

Bill


Actually you're right on this, because when I watch BBC hD from my
MythTV box and go back to SD it's hideous to watch. Maybe that's an
exaggeration but it's not far from the truth.

Rob.

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Robert Wilson wrote:
Actually you're right on this, because when I watch BBC hD from my
MythTV box and go back to SD it's hideous to watch. Maybe that's an
exaggeration but it'

Strange. I find a great deal of BBC HD hardly any different from SD. Less
movement artifacts - but hardly 'high definition'. Bonekickers tonight a
prime example of this.

Wimbledon looked stunning where HD cameras were in use, though.

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Mike Henry wrote:
Obviously the quality of the scaling wizzardy in his TV will have a large
effect on how good it looks - but something else has occurred to me. If
there are going to be lots of people upset with the quality of SD
broadcasts, perhaps it will increase pressure on the broadcasters to
increase SD bitrates so we will all benefit. You never know.

I wonder how many people watch the 95% of C4-HD that is nothing more than
C4-SD upconverted and broadcast at 15Mb/s:MPEG4, and think all of what they
see on there is HD ?


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So what exactly was he moaning about in the picture? Way back in the 70s, I
used to watch the 819 line French black and white signals and when you
flipped to bbc 2 colour, the definition was definitely worse.

Brian

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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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Today I has a customer who expressed dissatisfaction with the picture on
his Panasonic plasma. He clicked through the analogue channels, then
switched to Sky HD (via the HDMI) and flicked through the SD channels.
"None of them are good pictures!" When I put an HD channel on he said
"That's a lot better."
It wasn't that he didn't understand the difference between HD and SD. In
concept he did. But he'd got used to Sky HD and the HD picture from the
games machine, and it was making him think that there was something wrong
with an SD picture.
This is to me an interesting new development, which I suppose could have
been predicted.

Bill

But many view vhs videos still and are quite happy.

Brian

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Bill Wright wrote:
Today I has a customer who expressed dissatisfaction with the picture on
his Panasonic plasma. He clicked through the analogue channels, then
switched to Sky HD (via the HDMI) and flicked through the SD channels.
"None of them are good pictures!" When I put an HD channel on he said
"That's a lot better."
It wasn't that he didn't understand the difference between HD and SD. In
concept he did. But he'd got used to Sky HD and the HD picture from the
games machine, and it was making him think that there was something wrong
with an SD picture.
This is to me an interesting new development, which I suppose could have
been predicted.

Bill
Actually you're right on this, because when I watch BBC hD from my MythTV
box and go back to SD it's hideous to watch. Maybe that's an exaggeration
but it's not far from the truth.

Rob.

Bill Wright wrote:
...But he'd got used to Sky HD and the HD picture from the
games machine, and it was making him think that there was something wrong
with an SD picture.

10 Years ago I worked on the design of HD gear and SD always looked
horrible when I got home. I didn't think I'd still be watching it in 2008.
Arthur

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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So what exactly was he moaning about in the picture?

On Sky SD, mainly the results of compression.

Bill

"Arthur" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
...But he'd got used to Sky HD and the HD picture from the
games machine, and it was making him think that there was something wrong
with an SD picture.

10 Years ago I worked on the design of HD gear and SD always looked
horrible when I got home. I didn't think I'd still be watching it in 2008.
Arthur

Remind me again, how long after the arrive of 625 was it before 405 was
finally shut down ;-) ? Things will be even "worse" this time because TVs
are more reliable so there's no incentive to "move up because the current
one has broken" for those luddites like me. Besides which, on a 28 inch, I
can't imagine my eyesight would see much difference.

Paul DS.

Paul D.Smith wrote:

Remind me again, how long after the arrive of 625 was it before 405 was
finally shut down ;-) ? Things will be even "worse" this time because
TVs are more reliable so there's no incentive to "move up because the
current one has broken" for those luddites like me. Besides which, on a
28 inch, I can't imagine my eyesight would see much difference.

I can certainly spot the difference on 20inch 'professional' CRT and LCD
monitors, though they are being fed with uncompressed 270 Mb/s (SD) or
1.485 Gb/s (HD) signals

I think you would notice the difference on a 26ish inch display, though
what hits you first is the vast reduction of compression artefacts,
rather than spacial resolution at that size.

C4 HD with its upconverted SD programming looks fantastic (at current HD
bit rates and coding), much better than clean analogue reception of the
same broadcast.