Scam call from 08716641448

They phoned me earlier this evening. My wife knows that we are
scheduled for a 2012 switchover and put the phone down, I got the number
from 1471.

And yes we ARE TPS listed.

Andy

Andy Champ wrote:

And yes we ARE TPS listed.

Andy

Which reminds me - if enough of us complain to TPS perhaps they will do
something! I've just filled the form out.

Andy

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:32:45 +0100, "Paul D.Smith"
wrote:

...snip...

Ha! The TPS and the ICO are completely useless IME. If the call
comes under the TPS's remit then they may write a letter to the
offending company if you are luckly. They always advise me that the
TPS is a voluntary agreement and there is nothing they can do to
enforce it.


In my last case they wrote and told me that they fined the firm concerned.

The TPS is NOT a voluntary agreement in that firms must check it, but there
are limits to WHEN they need to check it. For example, someone can call you
and ask your opinion without referring to the TPS list but if they want to
call and offer to sell you anything then they must refer to the TPS list.

So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly
what I said in my previous post?

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...snip...

Ha! The TPS and the ICO are completely useless IME. If the call
comes under the TPS's remit then they may write a letter to the
offending company if you are luckly. They always advise me that the
TPS is a voluntary agreement and there is nothing they can do to
enforce it.


In my last case they wrote and told me that they fined the firm concerned.

The TPS is NOT a voluntary agreement in that firms must check it, but
there
are limits to WHEN they need to check it. For example, someone can call
you
and ask your opinion without referring to the TPS list but if they want to
call and offer to sell you anything then they must refer to the TPS list.

So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly
what I said in my previous post?


I'm afraid I don't know. It contradicts my own experience with them. The
one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the
UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls
from India and the US!

I wonder if the call you received fell into the "collecting information"
category (or whatever they call it). If it did (which implies that nobody
tried to sell you anything) then checking the TPS list would be voluntary
and most organisations ignore it. But where calls have been trying to sell
me something, then the TPS have always acted when I've contacted them.

I'll see next time I get a cold call that I "shouldn't". I haven't for a
while so perhaps things have changed.

Paul DS

In article , Brian
Gaff wrote:
Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen.

My phone sometimes shows "Number Withheld" when it rings. I never
answer those calls. Maybe there are other people like me, and these
companies reckon that on balance they get through to more people by not
hiding their number, and that this is enough to outweigh the
inconvenience of having to deal with occasional complaints.

I assume "Number Withheld" is different from "Unavailable", which is
another message it sometimes shows. Presumably "Unavailable" means the
call has come from a source or via a route that cannot handle CLI, so I
sometimes answer those just in case. But if the information *is*
available and a caller has taken deliberate action to suppress it, they
clearly have something to hide, so I don't want to know them.

Rod.

In article , Paul D.Smith wrote:
So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly
what I said in my previous post?


I'm afraid I don't know. *It contradicts my own experience with them. *The*
one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the*
UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls*
from India and the US!

Re my other post in this thread - get a Panasonic phone. It has a little
display window that shows who's calling, in the same way that most mobile
phones do. The messages it can show include "Outside area" and
"International". The one useful function it lacks (unless they've added it to
later models) is the ability to program the phone to reject such calls and
not even annoy me by ringing, but at least I can make an informed choice not
to answer.

Rod.

Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , Paul D.Smith wrote:
So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly
what I said in my previous post?

I'm afraid I don't know. It contradicts my own experience with them. The
one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the
UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls
from India and the US!

Re my other post in this thread - get a Panasonic phone. It has a little
display window that shows who's calling, in the same way that most mobile
phones do. The messages it can show include "Outside area" and
"International". The one useful function it lacks (unless they've added it to
later models) is the ability to program the phone to reject such calls and
not even annoy me by ringing, but at least I can make an informed choice not
to answer.

Rod.



Of course, for this to work, you must be signed up for 'caller display'
with your telecom supplier. Having just bought a set of panasonic phones
last night, I have been looking in to this :-) 'Caller Display' with BT
costs £1.75 per month, *BUT* if you sign up for 'BT privacy at home',
caller display is free and it automatically signs you up with TPS. Bargain!

Geoff

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in
message .myzen.co.uk...
In article , Paul D.Smith
wrote:
So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly
what I said in my previous post?


I'm afraid I don't know. It contradicts my own experience with them. The
one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the
UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive
calls
from India and the US!

Re my other post in this thread - get a Panasonic phone. It has a little
display window that shows who's calling, in the same way that most mobile
phones do. The messages it can show include "Outside area" and
"International". The one useful function it lacks (unless they've added it
to
later models) is the ability to program the phone to reject such calls and
not even annoy me by ringing, but at least I can make an informed choice
not
to answer.

Rod.

Wouldn't work for me - my wife's American. Might stop the mother-in-law
calling though so maybe...

You also have to pay BT to send the caller ID data down your phoneline for
this to work (unless they've finally made this free - I haven't checked in a
while).

Paul DS.

In article , [email protected]
hotmail.com says...
...snip...

Ha! The TPS and the ICO are completely useless IME. If the call
comes under the TPS's remit then they may write a letter to the
offending company if you are luckly. They always advise me that the
TPS is a voluntary agreement and there is nothing they can do to
enforce it.


In my last case they wrote and told me that they fined the firm concerned.

The TPS is NOT a voluntary agreement in that firms must check it, but
there
are limits to WHEN they need to check it. For example, someone can call
you
and ask your opinion without referring to the TPS list but if they want to
call and offer to sell you anything then they must refer to the TPS list.

So why did the TPS write to me about a call like this stating exactly
what I said in my previous post?


I'm afraid I don't know. It contradicts my own experience with them. The
one area where they are no use whatsoever is cold calls from outside the
UK - and most cold callers have cottoned onto this and I now receive calls
from India and the US!

The telephone operators themselves can do nothing such international calls
so it is folly to expect the TPS to be able to take action.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:59:29 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

In article , Brian
Gaff wrote:
Are they not a bit thick actually allowing their number to be seen.

My phone sometimes shows "Number Withheld" when it rings. I never
answer those calls. Maybe there are other people like me, and these
companies reckon that on balance they get through to more people by not
hiding their number, and that this is enough to outweigh the
inconvenience of having to deal with occasional complaints.

I assume "Number Withheld" is different from "Unavailable", which is
another message it sometimes shows. Presumably "Unavailable" means the
call has come from a source or via a route that cannot handle CLI, so I
sometimes answer those just in case. But if the information *is*
available and a caller has taken deliberate action to suppress it, they
clearly have something to hide, so I don't want to know them.

Trouble is a lot of calls have "Withheld" shown, even the ones I would
choose to receive, such as friends, businesses I do want to talk to
etc. This means it is not useful as an indicator for me.

I sometimes get "Unavailable" when it is a client from abroad too.

--
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(='.'=) Owing to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and
(")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles
posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by
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