Which TV to go with Humax 9200T?

"Max Demian" wrote in message
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"Guy Snape" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:29:57 GMT, Guy Snape
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I have a Humax 9200T PVR which I'm very happy with. Until recently, we
were watching it through a hitachi CRT, and it looked fine, but the
tube went so I bought an Acoustic Solutions 26" LCD from Argos. Yes, I
know it's a very cheap TV and you get what you pay for ... but the
picture is just atrocious - very grainy and unclear.

Have you set the Humax to widescreen? Mine looked terrible when I got
it, turns out the Humax box was putting out a 4:3 picture which was
being stretched to widescreen by the LCD. Doh!

Yes, tried every conceivable setting on both pvr and tv. TV is going back
to Argos today.

There's an enormous difference in prices of 26" LCD TVs there, from £230
to £645.

I notice they are selling the Panasonic TX-26LXD70 for £400, down from
£650.

Personally I'm going to hold off until the prices drop. If my 25" CRT
Panasonic gives up the ghost before this happens I'll just get a cheapy
21" CRT for under £100 as a stopgap.

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Max Demian

Thats the bottomline, if one wants the delight of Hi-Def there are a number
of routes and some are very affordable, but the incompatibility issue with
SD
is still a problem and one the OEM's though thay have addressed, it remains
a problem. Upscaling works, but SD when output from source (SCART) is 800 x
600
resolution, it works when the upscaling is performed at source and then
output
digitally as 1080i or 1080p and can be very convincing, But if the source
(in this
instance the Humax) output at 800x600 then it is expecting too much of a
flatscreen to then be able to upscale the now set 800x600 res to hi-def res,
it's that too-late-in-the-chain upscaling which gives pixel blur, pan shot
smudge,
poor edge definition etc.
There are adapters and standalone boxes that purport to make it easier to
upscale a 800x600 signal, this by feeding scart to component, but the issue
remains in that it is still originally output in it's native 800x600 res.
These adapters are really only of use with flatscreens that won't upscale a
SCART output signal, but will if the RGB feed is from component
(Type:SCART-to-Component into google to get the details) And of course
only of use if the flatscreen has component inputs. And also though some
LCD's
are 1080p, any component feed will be 720 only.
As the OP only requires his Humax as source, the only viable option is to
opt for one of the mainstream CRT's which are are true budget prices.
And then wait and see what develops, but I doubt the OEM's will put much
effort into fixing the SCART/800x600/upscaling issue.

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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"Convicted" wrote in message
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Thats the bottomline, if one wants the delight of Hi-Def there are a
number
of routes and some are very affordable, but the incompatibility issue with
SD
is still a problem and one the OEM's though thay have addressed, it
remains
a problem. Upscaling works, but SD when output from source (SCART) is 800
x 600
resolution, it works when the upscaling is performed at source and then
output
digitally as 1080i or 1080p and can be very convincing, But if the source
(in this
instance the Humax) output at 800x600 then it is expecting too much of a
flatscreen to then be able to upscale the now set 800x600 res to hi-def
res,
it's that too-late-in-the-chain upscaling which gives pixel blur, pan shot
smudge,
poor edge definition etc.
There are adapters and standalone boxes that purport to make it easier to
upscale a 800x600 signal, this by feeding scart to component, but the
issue
remains in that it is still originally output in it's native 800x600 res.
These adapters are really only of use with flatscreens that won't upscale
a
SCART output signal, but will if the RGB feed is from component
(Type:SCART-to-Component into google to get the details) And of course
only of use if the flatscreen has component inputs. And also though some
LCD's
are 1080p, any component feed will be 720 only.
As the OP only requires his Humax as source, the only viable option is to
opt for one of the mainstream CRT's which are are true budget prices.
And then wait and see what develops, but I doubt the OEM's will put much
effort into fixing the SCART/800x600/upscaling issue.

Were were you convicted of?

"You are charged that on the twelth day of July 2008 you posted a clear,
lucid, and helpful post in the uk.tech.digital-tv newsgroup, contrary to the
Usenet Promotion of Obfuscation and Circumlocutary Tarradiddle Act of 1995.
How do you plead?"

Bill

Mike Henry wrote:
In , "Convicted" wrote:

Thats the bottomline, if one wants the delight of Hi-Def there are a number
of routes and some are very affordable, but the incompatibility issue with
SD
is still a problem and one the OEM's though thay have addressed, it remains
a problem. Upscaling works, but SD when output from source (SCART) is 800 x
600
resolution,

eh? Why do you keep writing 800x600 instead of 702x576 or 720x576?

[...]
instance the Humax) output at 800x600 then it is expecting too much of a
flatscreen to then be able to upscale the now set 800x600 res to hi-def res,
[...]
remains in that it is still originally output in it's native 800x600 res.
[...]
And then wait and see what develops, but I doubt the OEM's will put much
effort into fixing the SCART/800x600/upscaling issue.

UK consumer devices output 702x576 or 720x576 via SCART RGB, ie PAL
resolution. Not 800x600. HTH


.... and there's me thinking it was about widescreen and not 4:3 ;-)

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PeeGee wrote:
Mike Henry wrote:


UK consumer devices output 702x576 or 720x576 via SCART RGB, ie PAL
resolution. Not 800x600. HTH


... and there's me thinking it was about widescreen and not 4:3 ;-)

Widescreen SD is still 702x576 or 720x576.
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Mike Henry wrote:

UK consumer devices output 702x576 or 720x576 via SCART RGB, ie PAL
resolution. Not 800x600. HTH

Actually it's 704x576 or 720x576 for 'PAL' resolution.


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"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
In , "Convicted" wrote:

Thats the bottomline, if one wants the delight of Hi-Def there are a
number
of routes and some are very affordable, but the incompatibility issue with
SD
is still a problem and one the OEM's though thay have addressed, it
remains
a problem. Upscaling works, but SD when output from source (SCART) is 800
x
600
resolution,

eh? Why do you keep writing 800x600 instead of 702x576 or 720x576?

[...]
instance the Humax) output at 800x600 then it is expecting too much of a
flatscreen to then be able to upscale the now set 800x600 res to hi-def
res,
[...]
remains in that it is still originally output in it's native 800x600 res.
[...]
And then wait and see what develops, but I doubt the OEM's will put much
effort into fixing the SCART/800x600/upscaling issue.

UK consumer devices output 702x576 or 720x576 via SCART RGB, ie PAL
resolution. Not 800x600. HTH


I bow my head in shame, you are indeed correct. I got mungled with
my ATI graphics card s-video output which is 800x600, I will arrange
to be thrashed with 50 lashes of a cat o' nine tails as punishment.

"brightside S9" wrote in message
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So how does the panasonic upscale internal DVB SD differently from
scart RGB SD?

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It could be a pile of factors, that Panny maybe one of the flatscreens
that can make a good job of upscaling from SCART, or it could be
that it isn't actually upscaling either the internal DVB-T or from SCART,
only you can gauge how acceptable the picture is.

Is it better than or as good as when you use the Toppy with a CRT -
doubtful.
Have you compared your Panny with a Blu-Ray to see true HD, and then
demo'd with an upscaling DVD player connected via HDMI or DVI, there
are some that give impressive results - when connected via HDMI/DVI.
With both Blu-Ray and a good upscaling DVD player you'd see how impressive
it can be, but though the Toppy is a star, connected via SCART it can't
match,
purely because it is connected via SCART, upscaled or not.

Some reading:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected.../25/pixsix.xml

http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/dvdpvr/0,3...9286874,00.htm

http://www.virginmedia.com/digital/d...dvdplayers.php

This is a budget model upscaling DVD with all the connections
and supposedly gives very good results - via HDMI
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=61831

This is a mid-range upscaling DVD that won it praise for how
good the upscaling results were - via HDMI
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...dvd-2930.phtml

In source components the processing, de-interlacing, scan and noise
suppression, upscaling etc are all done at source then the digital signal
is output via HDMI, with SCART it is a noisy analoque signal that is
output making it very tricky to do as good a job of upscaling at that stage.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:10:35 +0100, "Ivan"
wrote:

Gray Robert Mr (MAC) wrote:
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|| Hi Ivan, you don't know the model number of the Philips do you? I'm
|| in much the same boat as the OP.
||
|| Cheers,
||


37PFL5522D.. My only real complaint is the sound [it has inbuilt speakers]
with no provision to hook up external speakers from its own internal
amplifier, something I could do with my old Mitsubishi crt TV.
However taking into consideration the price [shop around] IMV it performs
better than many more expensive models I've seen.

Some reviews here.http://www.reevoo.com/reviews/mpn/philips/37pfl5522

That looks very interesting. I'm looking for something of that
sort for my bedroom. The 26in version would be the largest that
would suit. It, the 26PFL5522D, seems to get very similar
reviews to your 37in one.
http://www.reevoo.com/reviews/mpn/philips/26pfl5522

I want something that performs decently from SD and HD sources,
but not at too high a price. The less I spend on the bedroom TV,
the more I'll have for a better TV for the sitting room.

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Adrian wrote:
PeeGee wrote:
Mike Henry wrote:

UK consumer devices output 702x576 or 720x576 via SCART RGB, ie PAL
resolution. Not 800x600. HTH

... and there's me thinking it was about widescreen and not 4:3 ;-)

Widescreen SD is still 702x576 or 720x576.

B*****, must go back and re-read about anamorphic widescreen :-)
(Yesterday was not a good day)

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