BBC3 insults viewers once again with DOG **** reply

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:03:19 +0000, Edster wrote:

maffster wrote:


On Mar 15, 1:25*pm, Roderick Stewart
wrote:
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, Maffster wrote:
Torchwood 2.8 on Three with DOG 2.7 million viewers.
Torchwood 2.9 on Three with no DOG 2.4 million views.

You could interpret this any way you like. Even if both these episodes
were broadcast at the same time of day, they will have been on
different days and lots of other factors could have influenced 0.3
million people not to watch episode 9. The weather could have been
different, there could have been other more tempting programmes on
offer, or those people might simply have found other things to do. A
not inconsiderable influence will have been that some of those who
chose not to watch episode 9 will already have seen episode 8 and thus
formed an opinion of what to expect.

Rod.

Of course you could, and you are right.
However Aggy is convinced that people are not watching because of the
DOG and would return to watching BBC 3 if the DOG was dropped, but he
has provided no evidence to support his claim.

It would take an advertising campaign letting people know that the
graffiti had been removed to attract viewers because of that. I
stopped watching BBC3 when they started having advertising banners
during programmes, and hadn't even looked at it until someone said
they had made the logo solid pink. Removing the graffiti in secret
will never get viewers like me back.

Me too.

M.

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Kay Robinson Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

SNIP!
Nothing irritates me more than having to scroll through an entire
thread full of posts to find the reply to the last paragraph. I still
did it though...You could try a little trimming..

Kay

There are few things that irritate me more than someone who copies a great
chunk of text, then posts a meaningless post that does nothing to further
the conversation... but I'm not complaining. :-)

Seriously though, I'm sorry if I offended you by my trimless post! I do
normally snip anything not relevant to my point, but on this occasion (and
on a few others I expect) I forgot. Hope we haven't fallen out over it
though!! :-)



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Kay Robinson wrote in
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:24:49 +0000 (UTC),
(The Doctor) sharpened a new quill and scratched:

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Agamemnon wrote:
You are the heretic. You deny Jesus Christ's omnipresence and
omnipotence. You think his is impotent.


And you believe that Jesus is not part of the Holy Trinity.

He was a great bloke. Did lots of good work. If we all followed his
example the world would be a much better place. The upsetting fact is
that after he died a bunch of followers, encouraged by the only
educated one among them, namely Paul aka Saul, decided to set up a
bloody church and claim ownership. They and everything done since in
the name of Jesus Christ has been an abomination and caused more wars,
death and murder ever since. The solution, follow Jesus and not the
church that uses his name. Go forth, love thy neighbour, do good and
do no harm. Simple init....

Kay

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You're not wrong there, Kay, and I don't even believe in God.

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Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Kay Robinson wrote in
:

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:24:49 +0000 (UTC),
(The Doctor) sharpened a new quill and scratched:

In article ,
Agamemnon wrote:
You are the heretic. You deny Jesus Christ's omnipresence and
omnipotence. You think his is impotent.


And you believe that Jesus is not part of the Holy Trinity.

He was a great bloke. Did lots of good work. If we all followed his
example the world would be a much better place. The upsetting fact is
that after he died a bunch of followers, encouraged by the only
educated one among them, namely Paul aka Saul, decided to set up a
bloody church and claim ownership. They and everything done since in
the name of Jesus Christ has been an abomination and caused more wars,
death and murder ever since. The solution, follow Jesus and not the
church that uses his name. Go forth, love thy neighbour, do good and
do no harm. Simple init....

Kay

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(='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your
(")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.


You're not wrong there, Kay, and I don't even believe in God.

In Corinthians, Paul says to worship the Christ.
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the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


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In article ,
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Kay Robinson wrote in
:

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:24:49 +0000 (UTC),
(The Doctor) sharpened a new quill and scratched:

In article ,
Agamemnon wrote:
You are the heretic. You deny Jesus Christ's omnipresence and
omnipotence. You think his is impotent.


And you believe that Jesus is not part of the Holy Trinity.

He was a great bloke. Did lots of good work. If we all followed his
example the world would be a much better place. The upsetting fact is
that after he died a bunch of followers, encouraged by the only
educated one among them, namely Paul aka Saul, decided to set up a
bloody church and claim ownership. They and everything done since in
the name of Jesus Christ has been an abomination and caused more wars,
death and murder ever since. The solution, follow Jesus and not the
church that uses his name. Go forth, love thy neighbour, do good and
do no harm. Simple init....

Kay

(\__/)
(='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your
(")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.


You're not wrong there, Kay, and I don't even believe in God.

In Corinthians, Paul says to worship the Christ.
--
Member - Liberal International
This is Ici
God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
USA petition for dissolution of your nation!

And you believe that Jesus is not part of the Holy Trinity.

He was a great bloke. Did lots of good work. If we all followed his
example the world would be a much better place. The upsetting fact is
that after he died a bunch of followers, encouraged by the only
educated one among them, namely Paul aka Saul, decided to set up a
bloody church and claim ownership. They and everything done since in
the name of Jesus Christ has been an abomination and caused more wars,
death and murder ever since.

Not everything. The various Christian churches are a massive force for good
in the world. Despite the various wars and persecutions I'm sure the balance
is heavily towards 'good' and away from 'evil'. The reason is that millions
of Christians quietly get on with the task of easing humanity's path through
this world, as they always have.

I'm an atheist and I used to be very much against organised religion, but
I've come to realise how much good is gone in the name of religion.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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And you believe that Jesus is not part of the Holy Trinity.

He was a great bloke. Did lots of good work. If we all followed his
example the world would be a much better place. The upsetting fact is
that after he died a bunch of followers, encouraged by the only
educated one among them, namely Paul aka Saul, decided to set up a
bloody church and claim ownership. They and everything done since in
the name of Jesus Christ has been an abomination and caused more wars,
death and murder ever since.

Not everything. The various Christian churches are a massive force for
good in the world. Despite the various wars and persecutions I'm sure the
balance is heavily towards 'good' and away from 'evil'. The reason is that
millions of Christians quietly get on with the task of easing humanity's
path through this world, as they always have.

I'm an atheist and I used to be very much against organised religion, but
I've come to realise how much good is gone in the name of religion.

I've come across Christian organisations that do "good" things in the name
of charity, but there are hidden catches. E.g. they help people on the
condition that they read the Bible each day.

I've come across people who do good things because they think it will score
them brownie points with Jesus.

Good things are done in the name of religion. So are bad things.

If something good is done, why does it need to be done in the name of
anything? If I donate to charity, I don't do so in the name of any religion,
politics or any other club. I don't do it to score points with some deity,
and I don't do it on condition that religion is credited, involved or pushed
down anyone's throat. I do it because I want to.

Personally, I avoid charities that have any kind of religious association.
Because I just feel that half the time they're not inclusive, they're
blowing their own trumpet, and their pious attitudes are less than genuine.

"Stephen Wilson" wrote in message
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Not everything. The various Christian churches are a massive force for
good in the world. Despite the various wars and persecutions I'm sure the
balance is heavily towards 'good' and away from 'evil'. The reason is
that millions of Christians quietly get on with the task of easing
humanity's path through this world, as they always have.

I'm an atheist and I used to be very much against organised religion, but
I've come to realise how much good is gone in the name of religion.

I've come across Christian organisations that do "good" things in the name
of charity, but there are hidden catches. E.g. they help people on the
condition that they read the Bible each day.

Yes. See the early scenes of Major Barbara for Shaw's biting satire on this
aspect of religion.


I've come across people who do good things because they think it will
score them brownie points with Jesus.
Yes, well organised religion has always held out the promise of salvation.
The fact is, the promise of an afterlife has helped many people, although it
has also been a means of social control. Heaven might be a plecebo but it's
effective medicine!


Good things are done in the name of religion. So are bad things.

If something good is done, why does it need to be done in the name of
anything? If I donate to charity, I don't do so in the name of any
religion, politics or any other club. I don't do it to score points with
some deity, and I don't do it on condition that religion is credited,
involved or pushed down anyone's throat. I do it because I want to.
That's just as it should be. And in fact, many of the 'good' things done
under the auspices of organised religion are done for just that reason. It's
just that the religious organisation acts as a focus and brings like minded
people together. I can assure you that when our local church helps someone
out the individuals concerned aren't thinking of their reward in heaven;
they're just doing what their cultural background and personality has led
them to do. I think the cry "I'll get my reward in heaven!" is usually
spoken in jest!

Bill

The Doctor wrote:
In article ,
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
Kay Robinson wrote in
:

On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:24:49 +0000 (UTC),
(The Doctor) sharpened a new quill and scratched:

In article ,
Agamemnon wrote:
You are the heretic. You deny Jesus Christ's omnipresence and
omnipotence. You think his is impotent.

And you believe that Jesus is not part of the Holy Trinity.
He was a great bloke. Did lots of good work. If we all followed his
example the world would be a much better place. The upsetting fact is
that after he died a bunch of followers, encouraged by the only
educated one among them, namely Paul aka Saul, decided to set up a
bloody church and claim ownership. They and everything done since in
the name of Jesus Christ has been an abomination and caused more wars,
death and murder ever since. The solution, follow Jesus and not the
church that uses his name. Go forth, love thy neighbour, do good and
do no harm. Simple init....

Kay

(\__/)
(='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your
(")_(") signature to help him gain world domination.

You're not wrong there, Kay, and I don't even believe in God.

In Corinthians, Paul says to worship the Christ.

Which completely validates what she was saying - that it was Paul,
not Jesus.

Bill Wright wrote:

That's just as it should be. And in fact, many of the 'good' things done
under the auspices of organised religion are done for just that reason. It's
just that the religious organisation acts as a focus and brings like minded
people together. I can assure you that when our local church helps someone
out the individuals concerned aren't thinking of their reward in heaven;
they're just doing what their cultural background and personality has led
them to do. I think the cry "I'll get my reward in heaven!" is usually
spoken in jest!

My late Mother once told me that everything that everybody ever did was
for selfish reasons. When we do something good and "un-selfish", we do
it because either it makes us feel good to do it, or not doing so would
make us feel bad. The difference between good and bad people is in their
capacity to gain spiritually from being kind to others, and the extent
to which they feel guilty when their own actions hurt or deprive others.

Religion distorts this theory by adding the promise of reward or threat
of punishment in some form of afterlife, thereby keeping some people on
the "good" side of the fence, who might not otherwise have done. Of
course there is a tendency for conflict between any opposing groups of
people, which applies to religions as much as it does to nationality,
race, clour or the football teem you proffess to support. At the end of
the day, conflict is often IN THE NAME of religion, but I'm pretty sure
it's just an excuse for violent and intolerant people to be violent and
intolerent.

For what it's worth, I am atheist, but not evangelically so.

Adrian