What's so great about this?

On 6/22/2008 9:46 PM, wrote:
My brother-in-law just got a Samsung LCD a few days ago. Since I don't
own a HDTV set I rushed over today to view the picture quality.

To my disbelief, I was disappointed at what I saw. Everything looked
pixelated or blurred. Especially the graphics. I noticed it even more
with motion (we were watching a gymnastic program). We viewed the same
program on the HD channel. The HD channel looked better, but not perfect
and the background looked grainy. "Whats so great about this?" I thought
to myself.

I didn't say anything at first, but after a couple of minutes my B-I-L
expressed the same concerns. I suggested maybe the standard programming
looks worse on HDTV since its a lesser quality and maybe he needs to
tinker with the setup panel. I did notice the closer you were, the worse
it looked. I told him he should watch some DVD's. That way he can judge
if its the cable signal or not.

Overall the colors looked great and the images life like, but the
pixelation was too much of a distraction for me. Based on what I saw
today, my expectations was far from reality. This may sound crazy, but
right now, I think I like my tube better. I'll wait till 2009.

George


You should be blown away by the quality of an HD broadcast. We've had
our Samsung plasma for about 18 months and I still am amazed by the
quality of the picture and frequently still comment on it. As others
have said, it sounds like the program you were watching was not an
actual HD broadcast.

If your brother-in-law has cable, and a cable box, then he should be
able to receive the old analog broadcasts, and for many stations a
digital version of the station. BUT, a digital version does NOT mean
HD. All HD broadcast are digital, but not all digital broadcasts are
HD. In fact most digital broadcasts are not HD.

By now your brother-in-law has probably, and hopefully, resolved the
problem and is enthralled with his new purchase.

Bernie

On 6/22/2008 9:46 PM, wrote:
My brother-in-law just got a Samsung LCD a few days ago. Since I don't
own a HDTV set I rushed over today to view the picture quality.

To my disbelief, I was disappointed at what I saw. Everything looked
pixelated or blurred. Especially the graphics. I noticed it even more
with motion (we were watching a gymnastic program). We viewed the same
program on the HD channel. The HD channel looked better, but not perfect
and the background looked grainy. "Whats so great about this?" I thought
to myself.

I didn't say anything at first, but after a couple of minutes my B-I-L
expressed the same concerns. I suggested maybe the standard programming
looks worse on HDTV since its a lesser quality and maybe he needs to
tinker with the setup panel. I did notice the closer you were, the worse
it looked. I told him he should watch some DVD's. That way he can judge
if its the cable signal or not.

Overall the colors looked great and the images life like, but the
pixelation was too much of a distraction for me. Based on what I saw
today, my expectations was far from reality. This may sound crazy, but
right now, I think I like my tube better. I'll wait till 2009.

George


You should be blown away by the quality of an HD broadcast. We've had
our Samsung plasma for about 18 months and I still am amazed by the
quality of the picture and frequently still comment on it. As others
have said, it sounds like the program you were watching was not an
actual HD broadcast.

If your brother-in-law has cable, and a cable box, then he should be
able to receive the old analog broadcasts, and for many stations a
digital version of the station. BUT, a digital version does NOT mean
HD. All HD broadcast are digital, but not all digital broadcasts are
HD. In fact most digital broadcasts are not HD.

By now your brother-in-law has probably, and hopefully, resolved the
problem and is enthralled with his new purchase.

Bernie

My mom recently bought a Samsung LCD 32" (780) and the picture is always
grainy looking. It is receiving SD broadcasting from DirecTV at this time.
She is upgrading to HD DirecTV soon. I have a 42" Plasma (780) and my
picture is SO much better than her LCD, not grainy at all and I only have SD
programming also. I did lower the Sharpening, this improved my Plasma
picture very greatly, and her LCD a little.

On Jun 22, 11:32*pm, CJT wrote:

I guess the places that sell them don't know how to set them up, because
the ones I've seen in showrooms have generally been pretty awful.

If they're anything like Target, which shows a DVD on a splitted
coaxial feed on their plasmas, they are indeed awful. I think since
the advent of Blu-Ray, however, Best Buy has been able to show better
displays.

remysun wrote:
On Jun 22, 11:32 pm, CJT wrote:

I guess the places that sell them don't know how to set them up, because
the ones I've seen in showrooms have generally been pretty awful.

If they're anything like Target, which shows a DVD on a splitted
coaxial feed on their plasmas, they are indeed awful. I think since
the advent of Blu-Ray, however, Best Buy has been able to show better
displays.


I tend to agree with this assessment. It would be better if they didn't
crank up the brightness and color saturation to make my eyes bleed, but
they tend to do this only on the flavor of the week.

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B wrote:
On 6/22/2008 9:46 PM, wrote:
My brother-in-law just got a Samsung LCD a few days ago. Since I don't
own a HDTV set I rushed over today to view the picture quality.

To my disbelief, I was disappointed at what I saw. Everything looked
pixelated or blurred. Especially the graphics. I noticed it even more
with motion (we were watching a gymnastic program). We viewed the same
program on the HD channel. The HD channel looked better, but not
perfect and the background looked grainy. "Whats so great about this?"
I thought to myself.

I didn't say anything at first, but after a couple of minutes my B-I-L
expressed the same concerns. I suggested maybe the standard
programming looks worse on HDTV since its a lesser quality and maybe
he needs to tinker with the setup panel. I did notice the closer you
were, the worse it looked. I told him he should watch some DVD's. That
way he can judge if its the cable signal or not.

Overall the colors looked great and the images life like, but the
pixelation was too much of a distraction for me. Based on what I saw
today, my expectations was far from reality. This may sound crazy,
but right now, I think I like my tube better. I'll wait till 2009.

George


You should be blown away by the quality of an HD broadcast. We've had
our Samsung plasma for about 18 months and I still am amazed by the
quality of the picture and frequently still comment on it. As others
have said, it sounds like the program you were watching was not an
actual HD broadcast.

If your brother-in-law has cable, and a cable box, then he should be
able to receive the old analog broadcasts, and for many stations a
digital version of the station. BUT, a digital version does NOT mean
HD. All HD broadcast are digital, but not all digital broadcasts are
HD. In fact most digital broadcasts are not HD.

By now your brother-in-law has probably, and hopefully, resolved the
problem and is enthralled with his new purchase.

Bernie


Whazza madda Bernie, got the hiccups?

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:31:41 -0500, "Christie"
wrote:

My mom recently bought a Samsung LCD 32" (780) and the picture is always
grainy looking. It is receiving SD broadcasting from DirecTV at this time.
She is upgrading to HD DirecTV soon. I have a 42" Plasma (780) and my
picture is SO much better than her LCD, not grainy at all and I only have SD
programming also. I did lower the Sharpening, this improved my Plasma
picture very greatly, and her LCD a little.


You have to differentiate SD analog from SD digital, bet you have the
one and your mom has the other.

My guess for OP is that the settings on the box are bad, that was my
experience (at my mom's house!) with Comcast. Even with the best
cable-box settings and HD source, I prefer OTA signal, but the cable
source is still pretty good, I assume OP would like it if he had it.

J.

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:56:19 -0500 Jer wrote:
| B wrote:
| On 6/22/2008 9:46 PM, wrote:
| My brother-in-law just got a Samsung LCD a few days ago. Since I don't
| own a HDTV set I rushed over today to view the picture quality.
|
| To my disbelief, I was disappointed at what I saw. Everything looked
| pixelated or blurred. Especially the graphics. I noticed it even more
| with motion (we were watching a gymnastic program). We viewed the same
| program on the HD channel. The HD channel looked better, but not
| perfect and the background looked grainy. "Whats so great about this?"
| I thought to myself.
|
| I didn't say anything at first, but after a couple of minutes my B-I-L
| expressed the same concerns. I suggested maybe the standard
| programming looks worse on HDTV since its a lesser quality and maybe
| he needs to tinker with the setup panel. I did notice the closer you
| were, the worse it looked. I told him he should watch some DVD's. That
| way he can judge if its the cable signal or not.
|
| Overall the colors looked great and the images life like, but the
| pixelation was too much of a distraction for me. Based on what I saw
| today, my expectations was far from reality. This may sound crazy,
| but right now, I think I like my tube better. I'll wait till 2009.
|
| George
|
|
| You should be blown away by the quality of an HD broadcast. We've had
| our Samsung plasma for about 18 months and I still am amazed by the
| quality of the picture and frequently still comment on it. As others
| have said, it sounds like the program you were watching was not an
| actual HD broadcast.
|
| If your brother-in-law has cable, and a cable box, then he should be
| able to receive the old analog broadcasts, and for many stations a
| digital version of the station. BUT, a digital version does NOT mean
| HD. All HD broadcast are digital, but not all digital broadcasts are
| HD. In fact most digital broadcasts are not HD.
|
| By now your brother-in-law has probably, and hopefully, resolved the
| problem and is enthralled with his new purchase.
|
| Bernie
|
|
| Whazza madda Bernie, got the hiccups?

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My brother-in-law just got a Samsung LCD a few days ago. Since I don't own
a HDTV set I rushed over today to view the picture quality.

To my disbelief, I was disappointed at what I saw. Everything looked
pixelated or blurred. Especially the graphics. I noticed it even more with
motion (we were watching a gymnastic program). We viewed the same program
on the HD channel. The HD channel looked better, but not perfect and the
background looked grainy. "Whats so great about this?" I thought to
myself.

I didn't say anything at first, but after a couple of minutes my B-I-L
expressed the same concerns. I suggested maybe the standard programming
looks worse on HDTV since its a lesser quality and maybe he needs to
tinker with the setup panel. I did notice the closer you were, the worse
it looked. I told him he should watch some DVD's. That way he can judge if
its the cable signal or not.

Overall the colors looked great and the images life like, but the
pixelation was too much of a distraction for me. Based on what I saw
today, my expectations was far from reality. This may sound crazy, but
right now, I think I like my tube better. I'll wait till 2009.

George


I just got myself a 50" 1080P Plasma HDTV and it looks AMAZING! There's a
lot of things that could have been wrong which is why it didn't look good.
The Video Source? Watching SD content on a LCD can look kind of BAD, it
looks better on a PLASMA. If he wasn't watching HD content, that could be
the problem. Being a new HDTV, maybe he just didn't have a HD source to
begin with! No HD Cable Box or HD Satellite Box, or Blu-Ray player. Maybe
the HDTV was hooked up using a cable that does NOT support HD. If he was
still using a Composite connection or S-Video, well they only support SD,
Not HD. He needs a Component or HDMI connection otherwise HD source or not,
it will look like garbage. By the way, DVD's are NOT HD!!! DVD's will only
output 480P MAX. He needs a HD DVD player or now since the HD war is over
more so a Blu-Ray Disc player which will output a true 1080P picture.
That's HD. Even 720P is HD. You can buy a Up converting DVD player, but
it's still only working with a Picture that's been put on a DVD at 480 lines
of Resolution, NOT 720 or 1080 lines of Resolution.

Think of it this way, what Resolution is your PC in? What do you think it
would look like if you dropped the Resolution down to 640x480? No one runs
that Resolution anymore on a PC. How about this, you take a Digital Picture
using a 1 Megapixel Camera and then Blow up the Resolution, what does it
look like? Crap, that same picture taken with a 5 Megapixel Camera would
look far better. Bad Input gets you Bad Output.

Pixilation is usually the result of Highly compressed Source. Does he have
Satellite service? Personally I think if you like your TUBE picture, then
Plasma is the way to go as it basically works the same way! For Picture
Quality and Price, I think Plasma still has LCD's beat. Wide Viewing Angle,
Plasma is also better. I can sit off way to the side of my Plasma and
still see the screen clearly.

Waiting tell 2009 doesn't mean anything. You can still use the TV you have,
you just need a converter box to pick up the Digital Signals and not the
Analog Signals it has been picking up. You don't have to pick up a new TV
just because of the Analog to Digital switch. You can even sign up and get
a $40 Discount on a box so it's pretty cheap to buy one. If/When you get a
HDTV, it's for the better picture and the widescreen format. So can see
more of your favorite Shows on TV then those with a regular 4:3 TV miss out
on. I Remember when I got my first HDTV and finally got my HD Cable Box and
was Amazed watching the Winter Olympics in Greece in HD. Of course the HD
channel was pretty much Commercial FREE unlike the SD channel! The sweeping
background scenes. I was like WOW. I think it was a little before that I
saw the first Super Bowl also in HD, and Surround sound. It was like almost
being there. I have a Surround sound setup and I hear the Fans cheering all
around me. If your a big Sports Fan, watching on a HDTV in Surround is the
next best thing to actually being there!!!

Take a look at HDTV's at like BEST BUY, but not on the WALL of a 100 HDTV's,
but one one of the smaller Showrooms with a single HDTV setup and take a
close look! The TV may not be adjusted quite right, too bright of a picture
maybe, but you won't see the Pixilation. They will also usually have a
Blu-Ray Movie playing on it. At the Best Buy I went to, the Single HDTV
they had on Display on one of the rooms was the Panasonic TH-50PZ85U, this
is the one that I got! I had them Price Match and got $400 off on the
price. I wasn't going to really get something quite as large, I was
thinking more along the lines of 46", it looks even bigger in my place, but
I wouldn't change a thing. The picture looks Fantastic. It's 1000 times
better then the 42" Mitsubishi CRT Rear Projection 1080i HDTV I replaced.
Which was better then the 31" RCA Tube SDTV that it replaced.

"Christie" wrote in message
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My mom recently bought a Samsung LCD 32" (780) and the picture is always
grainy looking. It is receiving SD broadcasting from DirecTV at this
time. She is upgrading to HD DirecTV soon. I have a 42" Plasma (780) and
my picture is SO much better than her LCD, not grainy at all and I only
have SD programming also. I did lower the Sharpening, this improved my
Plasma picture very greatly, and her LCD a little.

A Plasma will look better then a LCD on SD content. Hell a Plasma works
almost like a TUBE TV. Really, if your going to get a LCD display, make
sure you plan to pretty much only watch HD content. At this time Plasma
still has LCD's beat with display quality. LCD's been getting better over
the years but they still have some flaws to work out. There's some other
future technology's that look very promising. I hear LCD's is the Future,
Plasma is dead, but I just got my Plasma, My bother just got himself a
Plasma to replace his couple year old LCD display. I've been reading and
Plasma's are big sellers. Going to be around for a long time to come.
Hurry up, get some HD content running though those HDTV's!

With LCD's you don't have to worry about Burn-In or Image Retention, maybe
stuck pixels, but you really wouldn't want to use a Plasma for a PC screen
with Static Images on it all the time. But I wouldn't really worry about
Gaming. I game on mine. If you were playing the same game for HOURS every
day that had a Heads up Display on the same place of the screen all the
time., that could be a problem with Burn-In or at the very least IR. It's
not such a problem though these days unlike the early years. Like the
Arcade Machines of the past with the CRT Displays and the Sirius Burn-In
they would get on the screens. They both LCD's and Plasma's have their
Pro's and Con's.