UK mains voltage

On 13/06/2008 12:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:

We're certainly paying more, but it's still British electricity. What could be
inferior about that?

Apart from the électricité we import from French nuclear stations.

Andy Burns wrote:

On 13/06/2008 12:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:

We're certainly paying more, but it's still British electricity. What could be
inferior about that?

Apart from the électricité we import from French nuclear stations.

I pay EDF (Électicité de France) for using electricity, so the British
electricity is about as British as the British car industry.
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Phil Cook wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

On 13/06/2008 12:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:

We're certainly paying more, but it's still British electricity. What
could be inferior about that?

Apart from the électricité we import from French nuclear stations.

I pay EDF (Électicité de France) for using electricity, so the British
electricity is about as British as the British car industry.

and I pay Scottish Power - which is now owned by a Spanish Company

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In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Phil Cook wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

On 13/06/2008 12:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:

We're certainly paying more, but it's still British electricity. What
could be inferior about that?

Apart from the électricité we import from French nuclear stations.

I pay EDF (Électicité de France) for using electricity, so the British
electricity is about as British as the British car industry.

and I pay Scottish Power - which is now owned by a Spanish Company

....and I pay Powergen, now Eon, which is owned by a German company.

I wonder how much "Cyril" got for his British Gas shares.
--
Ian

In article , charles
wrote:
In article , Phil Cook
wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:

On 13/06/2008 12:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:

We're certainly paying more, but it's still British electricity.
What could be inferior about that?

Apart from the électricité we import from French nuclear stations.

I pay EDF (Électicité de France) for using electricity, so the British
electricity is about as British as the British car industry.

and I pay Scottish Power - which is now owned by a Spanish Company

Does this mean all the electrons we get now have an accent over them?

And do they shout Ole! when they pass though the base of an NPN transistor?

What else do we get from being on the Spanish Main?

I think we should be told. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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"Lord Turkey Cough" wrote in message
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"Scott" wrote in message
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The next step in the European harmonization process is expected to take
place in 2008, when the legally permitted supply voltage range in the UK
will broaden to between 207V and 253V (+/-10%). Did anyone know if it
really happened?

This is one big con, we are not getting as much electricty as we used to,
not only has the voltage dropped but we are not getting 50 hertz,
we are only getting 45hz on average, sometimes as low as 40hz.
I know because I measured it on my voltmeter.

How do you measure frequency on a voltmeter?

Funny my LED mains driven alarm clock hasn't lost 20% of it's time

During the day you might lose a couple of cycles, which are added back
at night, otherwise mains synchronised clocks wouldn't be of much use

Well at least I used to measure it untill I electrocuted myself
and burnt out the voltmeter.
But I doubt the situation has changed much.
Of coure we are paying more then ever for inferior electricity.
Anyone noticed how bulbs are dimmer than they used to be?
I have.

Whatever you are taking for recreational purposes is doing you
no good at all, I'd give it up for a while.

But yes you have a point, if the voltage drops from 240 to say 230v
we are still paying the same per kW but getting less for the money

Steve Terry

"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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But yes you have a point, if the voltage drops from 240 to say 230v
we are still paying the same per kW but getting less for the money

Steve Terry




Surely a kW is a kW, init, so how is it less?

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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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But yes you have a point, if the voltage drops from 240 to say 230v
we are still paying the same per kW but getting less for the money
Steve Terry

Surely a kW is a kW, init, so how is it less?

Depending on how the meter reads it, some older disc meters may
read incorrectly

Steve Terry

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"Lord Turkey Cough" wrote in message
...

"Scott" wrote in message
...
The next step in the European harmonization process is expected to take
place in 2008, when the legally permitted supply voltage range in the UK
will broaden to between 207V and 253V (+/-10%). Did anyone know if it
really happened?

This is one big con, we are not getting as much electricty as we used to,
not only has the voltage dropped but we are not getting 50 hertz,
we are only getting 45hz on average, sometimes as low as 40hz.
I know because I measured it on my voltmeter.

How do you measure frequency on a voltmeter?

Good grief! This "Lord Turkey Cough" posting was most obviously done as
a joke posting (either by the 'Lord' himself or A. N. Other taking on
that persona for effect - it matters not which of those two cases
applies).

Funny my LED mains driven alarm clock hasn't lost 20% of it's time

That type of clock usually uses its own internal crystal tuned timebase
independent of the mains supply frequency.

During the day you might lose a couple of cycles, which are added back
at night, otherwise mains synchronised clocks wouldn't be of much use.

Yes, the PSUs are obliged to supply exactly 4,320,000 cycles of mains
voltage (give or take a few) for each and every 24 hour period with day
to day adjustments to eradicate any long term drift over the months and
years so that such mains synchronised timekeeping devices are never more
than half a minute out no matter how many decades they may be kept
running.


Well at least I used to measure it untill I electrocuted myself
and burnt out the voltmeter.

This was the "Clue by Four" statement which positively identified
beyond all shadow of a doubt that this was a joke posting.

But I doubt the situation has changed much.
Of coure we are paying more then ever for inferior electricity.
Anyone noticed how bulbs are dimmer than they used to be?
I have.

Whatever you are taking for recreational purposes is doing you
no good at all, I'd give it up for a while.

But yes you have a point, if the voltage drops from 240 to say 230v
we are still paying the same per kW but getting less for the money

Steve Terry

Sorry Steve, since the electricity meter is in fact a watt hour meter
calibrated in KWH units and not a simple amp hour meter that happens to
calibrated in watts using a fixed voltage coefficient of 240, this
statement is simply nonsense.

Aside from the obvious dimming effect on tungsten filament GLS lamps,
which are quite sensitive to such small voltage variations, these and
most other devices will simply consume less energy per unit of time
which will be accurately recorded by the electric meter.

I'm quite surprised at the sheer number of those who regarded Lord
Turkey Cough's posting as anything but a joke and felt impelled to
respond so inappropriately. The phrase "Look Before You Leap" springs to
mind as being appropriate advice to all those involved.

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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Lord Turkey Cough" wrote in message
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"Scott" wrote in message
...
The next step in the European harmonization process is expected to take
place in 2008, when the legally permitted supply voltage range in the UK
will broaden to between 207V and 253V (+/-10%). Did anyone know if it
really happened?

This is one big con, we are not getting as much electricty as we used to,
not only has the voltage dropped but we are not getting 50 hertz,
we are only getting 45hz on average, sometimes as low as 40hz.
I know because I measured it on my voltmeter.

How do you measure frequency on a voltmeter?

I had constructed an electrical circuit to convert the frequency into
a voltage. Unfortunately I think I either used too big a capacitor or
made some other error in the circuit design.
That's how I electrocuted myself.

I am not sure if the capacitor blew or not because I don't have a voltmeter
to test it with.



Funny my LED mains driven alarm clock hasn't lost 20% of it's time

During the day you might lose a couple of cycles, which are added back
at night, otherwise mains synchronised clocks wouldn't be of much use

Well at least I used to measure it untill I electrocuted myself
and burnt out the voltmeter.
But I doubt the situation has changed much.
Of coure we are paying more then ever for inferior electricity.
Anyone noticed how bulbs are dimmer than they used to be?
I have.

Whatever you are taking for recreational purposes is doing you
no good at all, I'd give it up for a while.

But yes you have a point, if the voltage drops from 240 to say 230v
we are still paying the same per kW but getting less for the money

Steve Terry