How Will Sky Respond to Freesat

In article , Brian McIlwrath
wrote:

Sky-HD STBs are more similar to the (not yet released!!) Freesat
PVR - in features (and price!)

Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled.

And without having to licence the Sky EPG it will be cheaper too.


Tennant Stuart

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Brian McIlwrath wrote:
In uk.media.tv.sky Nigel Barker wrote:

: For which you pay 55 pounds per month.

That's being pedantic! Yes, for the *whole* 30 you will pay £55 (more if you
want to split hairs further as some are SBO PPV ones!). I don't pay £55 as I
don't have movies or sports!

So ... based on the info on the sky website:

For your £399 you get a Sky HD box which gives you the equivalent of a
single tuner SD receiver - no PVR and no HD functions.

For £249, plus £192 per year (minimum subscription), plus £120 per year
for HD subscription (= £561 for the first year and £312 per year
thereafter) you get a FTA HD PVR and a some additional (next to useless)
Sky channels including their HD equivalents (where available).

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

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In uk.media.tv.sky Tennant Stuart wrote:

: Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled.

Is that announced?

: And without having to licence the Sky EPG it will be cheaper too.

I think that there is a similar lience to use the Freesat EPG as well. It
certainly is *NOT* available without signing up to some pretty stringent
conditions!!!

In uk.media.tv.sky PeeGee wrote:

: For your £399 you get a Sky HD box which gives you the equivalent of a
: single tuner SD receiver - no PVR and no HD functions.

Why do people keep mentioning this £399 - when no-one in the right minds
would pay this!!!! It is offered *far* cheaper with a Sky subscription and,
without one, it is also available for a lot less elsewhere.

: For £249, plus £192 per year (minimum subscription), plus £120 per year
: for HD subscription (= £561 for the first year and £312 per year
: thereafter) you get a FTA HD PVR and a some additional (next to useless)
: Sky channels including their HD equivalents (where available).

: Seems like a no-brainer to me.

OK - if you count the 16 Sky HD channels (from Discovery, National Geographic
etc.) as "next to useless" the it won't be for you! Buy the Humax PVR for
£299 instead!

It suits some people just fine!

"Brian McIlwrath" wrote in message
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In uk.media.tv.sky PeeGee wrote:

: For your £399 you get a Sky HD box which gives you the equivalent of a
: single tuner SD receiver - no PVR and no HD functions.

Why do people keep mentioning this £399 - when no-one in the right minds
would pay this!!!! It is offered *far* cheaper with a Sky subscription
and,
without one, it is also available for a lot less elsewhere.

: For £249, plus £192 per year (minimum subscription), plus £120 per year
: for HD subscription (= £561 for the first year and £312 per year
: thereafter) you get a FTA HD PVR and a some additional (next to useless)
: Sky channels including their HD equivalents (where available).

: Seems like a no-brainer to me.

OK - if you count the 16 Sky HD channels (from Discovery, National
Geographic
etc.) as "next to useless" the it won't be for you! Buy the Humax PVR for
£299 instead!

It suits some people just fine!


someone who i think said something like 'trust me i know' if my memory
serves me right was saying only the other day that the Humax High
Definition hard disk PVR box might be as low as 180quid.. surely very good
if true

i guess we wont realy know untill it hits the shops in about six weeks or so
when it is being discussed as likely to be avaiable.

i would also like to say that whilst we would all like to dream about
freesat being launched this week litterally bristling with new high
definition channels.. then we awake.

However, in reality the realistic likellyhood /inevitability of 'lots' of
free fressat (from the bbc/itv) HD channels in the comming months and years
beacons a new golden era in satellite home netertainment for us all..

enve these most fervent sky customers will be offered the choice of
competittively priced broad range and widely available equipment offering
enormous variety of content rich entertainment..which will entirely without
subscription and free to view by all. anyone who wants even more specialist
and diverse viewing knows where to go!

what actually amazes me is how the vast majority of ordinary folk with all
the various chores, duties, responsibilities and content rich lives actually
need more than the literally hundreds of existing news, music, film,
standard freeview equivalent entertainment, public service and not totally
insignifficant minority interest channels freely avaiable..

i guess some folks can never have too much of a good thing.. whether or not
they've actually got a life is yet another...

have fun

jb

Brian McIlwrath wrote:
In uk.media.tv.sky PeeGee wrote:

: For your £399 you get a Sky HD box which gives you the equivalent of a
: single tuner SD receiver - no PVR and no HD functions.

Why do people keep mentioning this £399 - when no-one in the right minds
would pay this!!!! It is offered *far* cheaper with a Sky subscription and,
without one, it is also available for a lot less elsewhere.

: For £249, plus £192 per year (minimum subscription), plus £120 per year
: for HD subscription (= £561 for the first year and £312 per year
: thereafter) you get a FTA HD PVR and a some additional (next to useless)
: Sky channels including their HD equivalents (where available).

: Seems like a no-brainer to me.

OK - if you count the 16 Sky HD channels (from Discovery, National Geographic
etc.) as "next to useless" the it won't be for you!

I was being as selective as you (specifying "Sky" channels, which
excludes the "knowledge" mix) - but I'm still not convinced that £312 is
worth paying, even for the channels you mention.

Buy the Humax PVR for
£299 instead!

That would be a total waste of money - at least until 2012, assuming
they remember to equalise Hannington *and* the signal strength is
adequate when that date arrives.


It suits some people just fine!

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In uk.media.tv.sky jb wrote:

: someone who i think said something like 'trust me i know' if my memory
: serves me right was saying only the other day that the Humax High
: Definition hard disk PVR box might be as low as 180quid.. surely very good
: if true

This £180 was a rumour from a long time back and has been very widely
discounted! The current favourite "guess" is £249 - but £299 is also
floating around (and would seem to me more likely!)

In uk.media.tv.sky PeeGee wrote:
:
: OK - if you count the 16 Sky HD channels (from Discovery, National
: Geographic etc.) as "next to useless" the it won't be for you!

: I was being as selective as you (specifying "Sky" channels, which
: excludes the "knowledge" mix) - but I'm still not convinced that £312 is
: worth paying, even for the channels you mention.

You actually *cannot* do that! Paying the £10 Sky_HD pfee gets you *ALL*
the non-premium HD channels - irrespective of Mix selection. If someone
has only 1-Mix at £16 (Variety say) they will get DiiscoveryHD, Sky ArtsHD
etc. - even though they do not subscribe to those Mixes!

: Buy the Humax PVR for
: £299 instead!

: That would be a total waste of money - at least until 2012, assuming
: they remember to equalise Hannington *and* the signal strength is
: adequate when that date arrives.

I meant the upcoming Freesat PVR!

"jb" wrote in message
...

What will Sky do to keep its hundreds of pounds a year - nine million
customer base - continuing to cough up loads of money for stuff the BBC
and ITV are now giving away completely free!


I give them a couple of months tops to finally provide a "last channel
watched" button and everything else their customers ask for.

Shak

On Fri, 09 May 2008 18:06:00 BST, Tennant Stuart
wrote:

Except that on Freesat the drive's recording capacity is doubled.

Impossible. The receivers are recording the exact same bitstreams so
they'll take up the exact same amount of space.
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