How will the US local area stations commerate the end of System-M?

How will the US local area stations commerate the end of System-M?

This footage is how the BBC commerated the end of System-A
-- http://youtube.com/watch?v=sG52HcgKaD4
-- I assume RTE (Ireland) had a similar commeration.

In each market, the NTSC transmitter shutdown will be historical, thus the
need for related programming.

One would expect that the programming, relating to the shutdown would be in
the public domain ... but I assume under some kind of GNU restrictions. I
don't know if there will be equal joy with respect to the end of NTSC in
Canada, or Bermuda or Mexico -- as the US more or less unilaterally imposed
System-M on these countries.

In alt.video.digital-tv Max Power wrote:
| How will the US local area stations commerate the end of System-M?
|
| This footage is how the BBC commerated the end of System-A
| -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=sG52HcgKaD4
| -- I assume RTE (Ireland) had a similar commeration.
|
| In each market, the NTSC transmitter shutdown will be historical, thus the
| need for related programming.
|
| One would expect that the programming, relating to the shutdown would be in
| the public domain ... but I assume under some kind of GNU restrictions. I
| don't know if there will be equal joy with respect to the end of NTSC in
| Canada, or Bermuda or Mexico -- as the US more or less unilaterally imposed
| System-M on these countries.

Who cares about the restrictions. OTA, especially analog, is easily recordable
and you know it will all end up on YouTube in less that a minute. I hope they
manage to get the ending of each and every station in the USA.

What I would like to see is that just after the final programming dealing with
the transition and analog shutdown, each station that existed back when stations
signed off for the night should carry out the same thing for this one last final
signoff. Typically that would be an annoucement of the station callsign and
other licensing parameters, often including city of license, transmitter power
and antenna height and location. Following that, usually some kind of national
anthem video, followed by a test pattern. What I'd like to see is that they do
this is some fashion showing all the old anthems and test patterns. I especially
would like to see as many stations end with the old Indian Head pattern (with ID)
at the actual shutoff instant. There should be the standard test tone with the
test pattern.

Anyone wanna guess how many of these transmitters get offered on EBAY?

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How will the US local area stations commerate the end of System-M?

This footage is how the BBC commerated the end of System-A
-- http://youtube.com/watch?v=sG52HcgKaD4
-- I assume RTE (Ireland) had a similar commeration.

In each market, the NTSC transmitter shutdown will be historical, thus the
need for related programming.

One would expect that the programming, relating to the shutdown would be
in the public domain ... but I assume under some kind of GNU restrictions.
I don't know if there will be equal joy with respect to the end of NTSC in
Canada, or Bermuda or Mexico -- as the US more or less unilaterally
imposed System-M on these countries.



Well I look forward to when we in Australia can ....... *commemorate*
closure of the analog system end of next year unless the pollies get cold
feet again..

In alt.video.digital-tv Netmask wrote:
|
| "Max Power" wrote in message
| ...
| How will the US local area stations commerate the end of System-M?
|
| This footage is how the BBC commerated the end of System-A
| -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=sG52HcgKaD4
| -- I assume RTE (Ireland) had a similar commeration.
|
| In each market, the NTSC transmitter shutdown will be historical, thus the
| need for related programming.
|
| One would expect that the programming, relating to the shutdown would be
| in the public domain ... but I assume under some kind of GNU restrictions.
| I don't know if there will be equal joy with respect to the end of NTSC in
| Canada, or Bermuda or Mexico -- as the US more or less unilaterally
| imposed System-M on these countries.
|
|
|
| Well I look forward to when we in Australia can ....... *commemorate*
| closure of the analog system end of next year unless the pollies get cold
| feet again..

If they are anything like in the USA, they have probably screwed up the process
and created difficulties and confusion for a great many people, which would lead
to complaints and demands to put it off until later.

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In alt.video.digital-tv Netmask wrote:
|
| "Max Power" wrote in message
| ...
| How will the US local area stations commerate the end of System-M?
|
| This footage is how the BBC commerated the end of System-A
| -- http://youtube.com/watch?v=sG52HcgKaD4
| -- I assume RTE (Ireland) had a similar commeration.
|
| In each market, the NTSC transmitter shutdown will be historical, thus
the
| need for related programming.
|
| One would expect that the programming, relating to the shutdown would
be
| in the public domain ... but I assume under some kind of GNU
restrictions.
| I don't know if there will be equal joy with respect to the end of NTSC
in
| Canada, or Bermuda or Mexico -- as the US more or less unilaterally
| imposed System-M on these countries.
|
|
|
| Well I look forward to when we in Australia can ....... *commemorate*
| closure of the analog system end of next year unless the pollies get
cold
| feet again..

If they are anything like in the USA, they have probably screwed up the
process
and created difficulties and confusion for a great many people, which
would lead
to complaints and demands to put it off until later.

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spot on! it's been delayed twice...

On May 1, 2:45*am, wrote:
In alt.video.digital-tv Netmask wrote:
|
| Well I look forward to when we in Australia can .......
*commemorate*
| closure of the analog system end of next year unless the pollies
get cold
| feet again..

If they are anything like in the USA, they have probably screwed up
the process
and created difficulties and confusion for a great many people,
which would lead
to complaints and demands to put it off until later.

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In the most recent TV Technology magzine the manufacturers are asking
for an extension because they can't get the program guide info into
the PSIP scccurately when things change on the fly like a sporting
event running longer than expected. Like anybody uses that useless
'feature'. When I look for the EPG, it takes a LONG time because it
has to tune in all 20 carriers ( Los Angeles) for several seconds
each. Instead I use Yahoo TV listings.

GG

G-squared wrote:
On May 1, 2:45 am, wrote:
In alt.video.digital-tv Netmask wrote:
|
| Well I look forward to when we in Australia can .......
*commemorate*
| closure of the analog system end of next year unless the pollies
get cold
| feet again..

If they are anything like in the USA, they have probably screwed up
the process
and created difficulties and confusion for a great many people,
which would lead
to complaints and demands to put it off until later.

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In the most recent TV Technology magzine the manufacturers are asking
for an extension because they can't get the program guide info into
the PSIP scccurately when things change on the fly like a sporting
event running longer than expected. Like anybody uses that useless
'feature'. When I look for the EPG, it takes a LONG time because it
has to tune in all 20 carriers ( Los Angeles) for several seconds
each. Instead I use Yahoo TV listings.

GG


Since when does any sporting event not run long? Forget the damn
extension and forget the damn must-carry contracts - add a freaking hour
to the end of *every* sporting event to the EPG. That way, I won't have to.


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jer
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On May 1, 10:32*am, G-squared wrote:

In the most recent TV Technology magzine the manufacturers are asking
for an extension because they can't get the program guide info into
the PSIP scccurately when things change on the fly like a sporting
event running longer than expected. Like anybody uses that useless
'feature'. When I look for the EPG, it takes a LONG time because it
has to tune in all 20 carriers ( Los Angeles) for several seconds
each. Instead I use Yahoo TV listings.

I don't see why that should warrant an extension to the analog shutoff
date. Sounds more like another delaying tactic to me. As far as I'm
concerned, the faster analog is shut off, the better. Broadcasters
will finally optimize their digital plants, and interference from very
powerful analog stations will finally cease. The spectrum is just too
crowded as is.

As to the EPG, that's an anicllary function, not well implemented at
all, in my experience, and they can work the bugs out over time. I
also hardly ever use the EPG. For one thing, ever tried getting the
next day's schedule off it? Can't be done. Broadcasters don't include
that information. What good is it?

Bert

Albert Manfredi wrote:
On May 1, 10:32 am, G-squared wrote:

In the most recent TV Technology magzine the manufacturers are asking
for an extension because they can't get the program guide info into
the PSIP scccurately when things change on the fly like a sporting
event running longer than expected. Like anybody uses that useless
'feature'. When I look for the EPG, it takes a LONG time because it
has to tune in all 20 carriers ( Los Angeles) for several seconds
each. Instead I use Yahoo TV listings.

I don't see why that should warrant an extension to the analog shutoff
date. Sounds more like another delaying tactic to me. As far as I'm
concerned, the faster analog is shut off, the better. Broadcasters
will finally optimize their digital plants, and interference from very
powerful analog stations will finally cease. The spectrum is just too
crowded as is.

As to the EPG, that's an anicllary function, not well implemented at
all, in my experience, and they can work the bugs out over time. I
also hardly ever use the EPG. For one thing, ever tried getting the
next day's schedule off it? Can't be done. Broadcasters don't include
that information. What good is it?

Bert


I can't know where DishTV gets their schedule info, but I can look two
days in advance if I want to. If I set a record event, the local system
will try to preserve it through any nightly schedule changes.


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On May 1, 4:21*pm, Jer wrote:

I can't know where DishTV gets their schedule info, but I can look two
days in advance if I want to. *If I set a record event, the local system
will try to preserve it through any nightly schedule changes.

I don't think the problem is with divulging the information per se. I
think the problem is that the EPG system for over-the-air digital TV
in the US, which uses a protocol called PSIP, has had some buggie
software implementations in past receiver designs. So it's likely that
some older receivers malfunction if some of the PSIP modes are used.

In your case, sounds like you get the info via the EchoStar EPG
system, so no problem.

I know that just this sort of problem occurred a couple of years ago
with a software update NBC installed in their own stations. All of a
sudden, my receiver would freeze if I tuned into the local NBC -2
subchannel (which is a weather channel in this market). Once there, I
couldn't tune to any other channel unless I cycled power to the
receiver.

Suspecting some software bug, I called the station. The engineer told
me that this bug had hit all of the NBC-owned stations, so they had to
back out the upgrade, system wide. And that the problem only occurred
in one brand of receiver. (They did in fact fix the problem in a few
days.)

I suppose there will be such bugs from time to time. Still, the PSIP
EPG is not of much use, especially if you want to use it for PVR
programming. It's okay to look ahead at that evening's schedule,
though.

Bert