Future of TIVO ?

Seems everyone including the cable companys are jumping into their own
version of TIVO, I'm just wondering where that is going to leave TIVO ?

Along side Kleenex.


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Seems everyone including the cable companys are jumping into their own
version of TIVO, I'm just wondering where that is going to leave TIVO ?

In article , "Bill" wrote:
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't aclue wrote in message
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Seems everyone including the cable companys are jumping into their own
version of TIVO, I'm just wondering where that is going to leave TIVO ?

On Apr 26, 4:10 pm, 't aclue wrote:
Seems everyone including the cable companys are jumping into their own
version of TIVO, I'm just wondering where that is going to leave TIVO ?

TiVo holds the patent on watching one channel while recording another.
They successfully sued Replay TV and won a $93 million judgement.
Assuming that is not overturned in appeals, they will probably go
after licensing deals with all the other DVR manufacturers, as once
the precedent is established, they would be sure to be able to enforce
that ruling in other court cases. TiVo could makes deals where the DVR
maker uses TiVo software, or they could charge royalties on every box
sold.

So even if they don't end up with a large market share of their own,
there should be a decent revenue stream coming into TiVo down the
road.

Brad Houser
www.siliconvalleyupgrades.com

SVU wrote:

TiVo holds the patent on watching one channel while recording another.

I assume the patent is a little more complex than that, because VCRs have
allowed you do that for decades.

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:53:27 GMT, Stephen Harris wrote:
SVU wrote:

TiVo holds the patent on watching one channel while recording another.

I assume the patent is a little more complex than that, because VCRs have
allowed you do that for decades.

Not on a single device. VCR records one channel. While it's doing that,
you can't use it to watch something else. You can only watch what it's
recording, or ignore it all together.

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:56:00 -0700, SVU wrote:

On Apr 26, 4:10 pm, 't aclue wrote:
Seems everyone including the cable companys are jumping into their own
version of TIVO, I'm just wondering where that is going to leave TIVO ?

TiVo holds the patent on watching one channel while recording another.

Really? How in the hell did they get a patent on something that was being
done years before they were even a company.

They successfully sued Replay TV and won a $93 million judgement.

Stupid people make stupid laws.

Assuming that is not overturned in appeals, they will probably go after
licensing deals with all the other DVR manufacturers, as once the
precedent is established, they would be sure to be able to enforce that
ruling in other court cases. TiVo could makes deals where the DVR maker
uses TiVo software, or they could charge royalties on every box sold.

So even if they don't end up with a large market share of their own,
there should be a decent revenue stream coming into TiVo down the road.

Patents shouldn't last more than 7 years. They shouldn't have gotten a
patent in the first place.

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Peter H. Coffin wrote:


On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:53:27 GMT, Stephen Harris wrote:
SVU wrote:

TiVo holds the patent on watching one channel while recording another.

I assume the patent is a little more complex than that, because VCRs have
allowed you do that for decades.

Not on a single device. VCR records one channel. While it's doing that,

And _now_ you're making it "a little more complex."

you can't use it to watch something else. You can only watch what it's
recording, or ignore it all together.

Actually, there were dual-deck VCR machines, some with independent
tuners for each deck. They weren't very cheap. My school had one in
the A/V department. So, again, the TiVo patent is presumably more
complex, yet.

[ I'm not saying TiVo don't have valid patents; I'm saying that what you
wrote is too simple. ]

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Stephen Harris

The truth is the truth, and opinion just opinion. But what is what?
My employer pays to ignore my opinions; you get to do it for free.

SVU shaped the electrons to say:
TiVo holds the patent on watching one channel while recording another.

Uh, the 'Time Warp' patent is a bit more complex than that. And they
actually hold a number of DVR related patents on both hardware and
software.

They successfully sued Replay TV and won a $93 million judgement.

While TiVo *did* sue ReplayTV a number of years ago, and ReplayTV sued
TiVo at the same time (I forget who started it and who counter-sued),
that was settled out of court and the two companies agreed to swap
patents as a settlement.

You're referring to TiVo's more recent suit, and victory, against
EchoStar/Dish Network. It has already gone to appeal and the appeals
court upheld the victory for the most part, though they did send the
hardware infringement claim back to the lower court for rehearing.
Dish has stated they now intended to appeal to the US Supreme Court.

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SVU wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:10 pm, 't aclue wrote:
Seems everyone including the cable companys are jumping into their own
version of TIVO, I'm just wondering where that is going to leave TIVO ?

TiVo holds the patent on watching one channel while recording another.
They successfully sued Replay TV and won a $93 million judgement.
Assuming that is not overturned in appeals, they will probably go
after licensing deals with all the other DVR manufacturers, as once
the precedent is established, they would be sure to be able to enforce
that ruling in other court cases. TiVo could makes deals where the DVR
maker uses TiVo software, or they could charge royalties on every box
sold.

So even if they don't end up with a large market share of their own,
there should be a decent revenue stream coming into TiVo down the
road.

Tivo made a $1.37 profit 1 quarter. Their only salvation is the cable
companies lock on content distribution, which deters other mfg from
making set top DVRs. The Federal government recently classified Fios as
"cable" which means the total number of subscribers is close to the
level where gov regulation begins. A free for all will start that will
leave a lot of bodies. And don't count on any "we invented recording to
hard disk" decisions.