Sony HDTV over the air tuner and Obsolescence?

I'm thinking of buying a set like Sony's KV 32HS510, for use in
receiving over the air programming (I don't plan on getting cable
anytime soon). This TV has the DVI HDTV connection. Does that prevent
it from becoming obsolete in the future, if broadcasters scramble
their signals, or should I wait a few years?

CGott wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a set like Sony's KV 32HS510, for use in
receiving over the air programming (I don't plan on getting cable
anytime soon). This TV has the DVI HDTV connection. Does that prevent
it from becoming obsolete in the future, if broadcasters scramble
their signals, or should I wait a few years?


No one should buy any HDTV set or seperate OTA receiver unless it has
the new 5th generation receiver technology in it and can handle MPEG4
and WM9.

A USDTV receiver will go on sale in a couple of months problably at
WalMart which will handle WM9. IF that unit happens to work for you
receive wise fine but anything that does not handle advanced codecs are
a crap shoot from here on out.

If USDTV and/or Emmis is/are successful any current receiver or one sold
in the past will rapidly become obsolete. Unless you like receiveing
only a limited number of SD programs on your HDTV receiver.

That connection has nothing to do with OTA signals. Nor does it have
anything to do with scrambling. It is there for copy protection for
Hollywood which is afraid you're going to copy their movies.


"CGott" wrote in message
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I'm thinking of buying a set like Sony's KV 32HS510, for use in
receiving over the air programming (I don't plan on getting cable
anytime soon). This TV has the DVI HDTV connection. Does that prevent
it from becoming obsolete in the future, if broadcasters scramble
their signals, or should I wait a few years?

If you believe Bob Miller's advice, then you also believe in the repayment
of the French war debt and that Bill Clinton didn't have sex with that
woman.

Anything that Bob Miller says is guaranteed to be a combination of
half-truths, lies, and FUD.

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Bob Miller wrote:
No one should buy any HDTV set or seperate OTA receiver unless it has the new
5th generation receiver technology in it and can handle MPEG4 and WM9.

A USDTV receiver will go on sale in a couple of months problably at WalMart
which will handle WM9. IF that unit happens to work for you receive wise fine
but anything that does not handle advanced codecs are a crap shoot from here
on out.

If USDTV and/or Emmis is/are successful any current receiver or one sold in
the past will rapidly become obsolete. Unless you like receiveing only a
limited number of SD programs on your HDTV receiver.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, CGott wrote:
I'm thinking of buying a set like Sony's KV 32HS510, for use in
receiving over the air programming (I don't plan on getting cable
anytime soon). This TV has the DVI HDTV connection. Does that prevent
it from becoming obsolete in the future, if broadcasters scramble
their signals, or should I wait a few years?

Assuming that you intend to use an STB (set top box, that is a separate
HDTV tuner) you are fine. The TV probably has both component and DVI, DVI
being slightly preferable.

If you can wait a short while until the FCC mandate kicks in, you'll find
TVs with a built-in HDTV tuner showing up on the market for much less (and
the TVs without the tuner being dumped at fire-sale prices).

"Broadcasters scrambling their signals" is a problem that only exists in
Bob Miller's fantasies. There is something about copy-restriction, but
that's only going to affect digital copying, and the final jury isn't out
on that.

If you have a TV with an HDTV tuner, you'll be able to watch your favorite
network prime time shows in HDTV for free. That's not going away.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Mark Crispin wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, CGott wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a set like Sony's KV 32HS510, for use in
receiving over the air programming (I don't plan on getting cable
anytime soon). This TV has the DVI HDTV connection. Does that prevent
it from becoming obsolete in the future, if broadcasters scramble
their signals, or should I wait a few years?


Assuming that you intend to use an STB (set top box, that is a separate
HDTV tuner) you are fine. The TV probably has both component and DVI,
DVI being slightly preferable.

If you can wait a short while until the FCC mandate kicks in, you'll
find TVs with a built-in HDTV tuner showing up on the market for much
less (and the TVs without the tuner being dumped at fire-sale prices).

"Broadcasters scrambling their signals" is a problem that only exists in
Bob Miller's fantasies. There is something about copy-restriction, but
that's only going to affect digital copying, and the final jury isn't
out on that.

If you have a TV with an HDTV tuner, you'll be able to watch your
favorite network prime time shows in HDTV for free. That's not going away.

-- Mark --


Your first worry is not about broadcasters scrambling their signals
which they would do if they offer a subscription service.

Your first worry is that broadcasters will segment their signal. That is
they will satisfy the requirement of the FCC that they broadcast AT
LEAST ONE NTSC PROGRAM WITH MPEG2 IN THE FREE AND CLEAR and they they
will use the rest of their bandwidth to deliver more programming using a
codec such as WM9, MPEG4 or VP6 which is 2 to 3 times more efficient.

This programming could be free, part free or all subscription but even
if it is ALL FREE, that is NO SCRAMBLING, your current 8-VSB OTA
receiver will still NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING BUT THE NTSC QUALITY PROGRAM.
NTSC=SD.

Mark can say this will not happen but he is doing you no favor. He is
intent on you taking the risk. He does not want you to have all the
information that you need to make a purchase decision.

If he did he would tell you himself that what I say will happen IS
ALREADY HAPPENING.

USDTV is selling receivers in WalMart for $200. IN a couple of months
they will start selling receivers that do both MPEG2 and MPEG4. Where
ever they operate they make deals with broadcasters to use some stations
to do exactly what I suggest above. Except that they have no plans that
I know of to do any HD in their MPEG4 bandwidth. Broadcasters have
invested in USDTV.

Emmis Broadcasting encouraged by USDTV has gone a step furthur. They
have formed an organization of broadcasters to do the same thing but on
steroids. Emmis has already signed up over 400 stations out of the total
of 1600. That after only a few months. They expect ALL broadcasters to
join. They talk of buying USDTV.

Hey a few hundred $ for a receiver that works now and may work for some
time before what I suggest happens (or it may not happen) is no big
deal. Buy it but don't say you have not been warned.

The FCC won't tell you, broadcasters won't tell you, the manufacturers
of 8-VSB receivers won't tell you that current receivers may become
obsolete IN MANY POSSIBLE ways.

And then there are those who think that they are promoting HDTV by
ignoring reality, by denying the risk, because they work for one of the
above entities.

And then there are potentially those who would consciously deceive new
or would be new HD buyers about the risk because they want as many as
possible in the same boat with them. The more in the less chance it will
sink seems to be the reasoning.

Good reasoning if the numbers in the boat were actually very high. They
are not and the powers that be will ignore them as this change occurs.

I would not buy an 8-VSB receiver until they have 5th generation Zenith
capability and can handle advanced codecs like MPEG4, WM9 or VP6. The
capabilities of the 5th generation receivers were promised in 1999.

Actually much more was promised or more correctly they said that they
had the capability of mobile and indoor ease of reception in 1999. The
only reason I believe that 5th generation receivers are better is
because of trusted friends who have tested them and told me. No mobile
however.

Do not believe anything Bob says. If he had his way nobody would be
watching excellent HDTV broadcasts at all.



Bob Miller wrote:
CGott wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a set like Sony's KV 32HS510, for use in
receiving over the air programming (I don't plan on getting cable
anytime soon). This TV has the DVI HDTV connection. Does that prevent
it from becoming obsolete in the future, if broadcasters scramble
their signals, or should I wait a few years?



No one should buy any HDTV set or seperate OTA receiver unless it has
the new 5th generation receiver technology in it and can handle MPEG4
and WM9.

A USDTV receiver will go on sale in a couple of months problably at
WalMart which will handle WM9. IF that unit happens to work for you
receive wise fine but anything that does not handle advanced codecs are
a crap shoot from here on out.

If USDTV and/or Emmis is/are successful any current receiver or one sold
in the past will rapidly become obsolete. Unless you like receiveing
only a limited number of SD programs on your HDTV receiver.

CGott wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a set like Sony's KV 32HS510, for use in
receiving over the air programming (I don't plan on getting cable
anytime soon). This TV has the DVI HDTV connection. Does that prevent
it from becoming obsolete in the future, if broadcasters scramble
their signals, or should I wait a few years?

I use a Sony 34HS510 HDTV today for both OTA component and

Cable Box (SA3250HD) DVI HD programs... Both work swell!!

As far as OTA HD Broadcasters scrambling... No way......

and yes, I do fear Cable 'new' Scrambling with my DVI....

but I will cross that bridge when &... IF DVI 'goes bad'...

I enjoy HDTV today... and that's counts.....

The movie industry may not be my friend?

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:11:54 GMT, Bob Miller wrote:

No one should buy any HDTV set or seperate OTA receiver unless it has
the new 5th generation receiver technology in it and can handle MPEG4
and WM9.

A USDTV receiver will go on sale in a couple of months problably at
WalMart which will handle WM9. IF that unit happens to work for you
receive wise fine but anything that does not handle advanced codecs are
a crap shoot from here on out.

If USDTV and/or Emmis is/are successful any current receiver or one sold
in the past will rapidly become obsolete. Unless you like receiveing
only a limited number of SD programs on your HDTV receiver.

Bob!

You're still wasting your valuable time posting here when the
conversion to COFDM is so important that's there's no time to waste
you don't have a minute to spare.

Spend your time convincing Congress and the FCC they need to convert,
not out here talking to us who can't do anything about it. Until the
government mandate is changed from 8VSB to COFDM I don't expect to see
you out here.





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Michael J. Sherman wrote:


Do not believe anything Bob says. If he had his way nobody would be
watching excellent HDTV broadcasts at all.


Don't have to beleive me call up Emmis 317.266.0100 or USDTV 801-748-2464

Emmis, Partners eye buying USDTV
http://www.tvweek.com/news/web060304.html#emmis

USDTV Moving to WM9
http://www.uprez.com/modules.php?op=...tid= &topic=9

NAB: USDTV Chooses Windows Media 9 for Pay-TV
http://digital-lifestyles.info/displ...siness&id=1147

With lawmakers closing in on the analog broadcast spectrum like a pack
of hungry dogs on a bone, broadcasters are gravitating toward the
over-the-air, multichannel pay service proposed by Emmis Chairman Jeff
Smulyan at NAB2004.
http://www.tvtechnology.com/dailynews/one.php?id=2040




Bob Miller wrote:

CGott wrote:

I'm thinking of buying a set like Sony's KV 32HS510, for use in
receiving over the air programming (I don't plan on getting cable
anytime soon). This TV has the DVI HDTV connection. Does that prevent
it from becoming obsolete in the future, if broadcasters scramble
their signals, or should I wait a few years?




No one should buy any HDTV set or seperate OTA receiver unless it has
the new 5th generation receiver technology in it and can handle MPEG4
and WM9.

A USDTV receiver will go on sale in a couple of months problably at
WalMart which will handle WM9. IF that unit happens to work for you
receive wise fine but anything that does not handle advanced codecs
are a crap shoot from here on out.

If USDTV and/or Emmis is/are successful any current receiver or one
sold in the past will rapidly become obsolete. Unless you like
receiveing only a limited number of SD programs on your HDTV receiver.