OT Low Energy Light Bulb

"Marky P" wrote in message
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I've got an incredibly powerful torch (thousands of Kelvins,
apparently) that virtually lights up the whole lounge.

That's called the Sun. About 6000 kelvins.

--
Max Demian

Al wrote:
Sigh - dimmable CFLs are available and have been for some time.

Sigh - Cost? Manufacturing cost? Light output? Carbon footprint? EM
interference?

Never heard a positive word said about DCFLs, but then I haven't tried them
meself. Too expensive, and the interference would be a major problem.

How do you know what the lighting's like in a 'massage parlour'?

Been in one. Maybe more than one. Have you? Try it, then report back.

Was the visit to the cheap docs after the massage parlour?

Ah, the joys of a missing apostrophe! My how we laughed!

"cheap doctors waiting room"

Doh! How could I have been so blind to have missed the possessive
apostrophe! Maybe it was the **** lighting in the cheap waiting room ;-)

Hmmm..

Buddhist?

Al.

Lighten up - you're trying too hard.

Johnny B Good wrote:

A word of warning, there is a brand of CFL being sold in "Pound
Shops"(tm) that are truly awful, not only in low lumen output but also
in colour rendering, which produces a rather spooky bluish light.


Yeah, they were/are very spooky lamps. Fortunately the only one I had
died a while back.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Chas Gill wrote:
By what parameters? Hybrid is certainly cleaner than diesel- on a
like-for-like basis hybrid cars emit considerably less CO2 and other
pollutants - and I haven't seen a diesel yet that can recover kinetic
energy. And there are very few if any UK diesel cars of a similar size
to the Prius that can beat it in terms of overall mpg.

You're way out of date. The Prius is only economical in start stop
conditions - on the open road it's distinctly average. Especially if
pushed - as it has to be if heavily loaded. Any modern diesel of
comparative carrying capacity and performance will beat it hands down on a
long journey. As will many petrol engined cars too.

You might note that Autocar only managed 24 mpg with the MkI Prius over
600 miles.

Sorry Dave, I didn't realise I was in the company of experts....... I only
speak from the direct experience of OWNING one! The last time I did a good,
long run in mine it was an overall 1500 miles in France, at least 2/3rds of
that at maximum legal motorway speeds, with four up and all of our luggage
and it managed a mere 58mpg over the trip. Where, pray, do you get your
info?

"Chas Gill" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Chas Gill wrote:
By what parameters? Hybrid is certainly cleaner than diesel- on a
like-for-like basis hybrid cars emit considerably less CO2 and other
pollutants - and I haven't seen a diesel yet that can recover
kinetic
energy. And there are very few if any UK diesel cars of a similar
size
to the Prius that can beat it in terms of overall mpg.

You're way out of date. The Prius is only economical in start stop
conditions - on the open road it's distinctly average. Especially if
pushed - as it has to be if heavily loaded. Any modern diesel of
comparative carrying capacity and performance will beat it hands down
on a
long journey. As will many petrol engined cars too.

You might note that Autocar only managed 24 mpg with the MkI Prius
over
600 miles.

Sorry Dave, I didn't realise I was in the company of experts....... I
only speak from the direct experience of OWNING one! The last time I
did a good, long run in mine it was an overall 1500 miles in France,
at least 2/3rds of that at maximum legal motorway speeds, with four up
and all of our luggage and it managed a mere 58mpg over the trip.
Where, pray, do you get your info?



Sunday Times last weekend did a trip from London to Geneva using a Prius
and a BMW520d. They deliberately went through Rhiems and Dijon and some
other places to try to give the Prius a chance. BMW had radio and
air-con running all the way, everything in the Prius turned off.

Which returned the better mpg? The BMW of course!


Followed a Prius on the A1 yesterday. Looked like a conventional 3-box
saloon on an S-plate. Looked the age as well - so maybe the concept of a
hybrid is not new to Toyota?



--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

In article ,
Marky P wrote:
You're way out of date. The Prius is only economical in start stop
conditions - on the open road it's distinctly average. Especially if
pushed - as it has to be if heavily loaded. Any modern diesel of
comparative carrying capacity and performance will beat it hands down
on a long journey. As will many petrol engined cars too.

You might note that Autocar only managed 24 mpg with the MkI Prius over
600 miles.

I believe the new Prius is a big improvement over the MkI. Well,
according to the Parker's Price Guide it is anyway.

I believe so although I've not driven one. Still 'fiddles' the official
MPG figures, though. In the US they've got wise to it and altered the way
they're calculated. Not so here yet.

--
*What hair colour do they put on the driver's license of a bald man? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Chas Gill wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Chas Gill wrote:
By what parameters? Hybrid is certainly cleaner than diesel- on a
like-for-like basis hybrid cars emit considerably less CO2 and other
pollutants - and I haven't seen a diesel yet that can recover kinetic
energy. And there are very few if any UK diesel cars of a similar
size to the Prius that can beat it in terms of overall mpg.

You're way out of date. The Prius is only economical in start stop
conditions - on the open road it's distinctly average. Especially if
pushed - as it has to be if heavily loaded. Any modern diesel of
comparative carrying capacity and performance will beat it hands down
on a long journey. As will many petrol engined cars too.

You might note that Autocar only managed 24 mpg with the MkI Prius over
600 miles.

Sorry Dave, I didn't realise I was in the company of experts....... I
only speak from the direct experience of OWNING one! The last time I
did a good, long run in mine it was an overall 1500 miles in France, at
least 2/3rds of that at maximum legal motorway speeds, with four up and
all of our luggage and it managed a mere 58mpg over the trip. Where,
pray, do you get your info?

I quoted Autocar. They tend to be extremely accurate over this sort of
thing - most others simply give the maker's claims.

Oh - I did virtually the same over the length of the UK and got 31 mpg in
an early one. And it was hard work due to the pathetic performance.

The snag with all the owner's MPG claims is no reputable organisation etc
can match them. Of course if you drive very gently they can be quite good.
But then so are many other cars too.

--
*Eat well, stay fit, die anyway

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Woody wrote:
Sunday Times last weekend did a trip from London to Geneva using a Prius
and a BMW520d. They deliberately went through Rhiems and Dijon and some
other places to try to give the Prius a chance. BMW had radio and
air-con running all the way, everything in the Prius turned off.

Which returned the better mpg? The BMW of course!

As I said in an earlier post I took an early one - a demonstrator - from
London to the north of Scotland driving it at normal speeds (for me)-
which in practice meant near flat out all the way. It returned poorer fuel
consumption than my 3 litre petrol auto does over the same journey - and
my running time was longer.

--
*Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
You're way out of date. The Prius is only economical in start stop
conditions - on the open road it's distinctly average. Especially if
pushed

My old car used no petrol at all when it was pushed.

Bill

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Chas Gill wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Chas Gill wrote:
By what parameters? Hybrid is certainly cleaner than diesel- on a
like-for-like basis hybrid cars emit considerably less CO2 and other
pollutants - and I haven't seen a diesel yet that can recover kinetic
energy. And there are very few if any UK diesel cars of a similar
size to the Prius that can beat it in terms of overall mpg.

You're way out of date. The Prius is only economical in start stop
conditions - on the open road it's distinctly average. Especially if
pushed - as it has to be if heavily loaded. Any modern diesel of
comparative carrying capacity and performance will beat it hands down
on a long journey. As will many petrol engined cars too.

You might note that Autocar only managed 24 mpg with the MkI Prius over
600 miles.

Sorry Dave, I didn't realise I was in the company of experts....... I
only speak from the direct experience of OWNING one! The last time I
did a good, long run in mine it was an overall 1500 miles in France, at
least 2/3rds of that at maximum legal motorway speeds, with four up and
all of our luggage and it managed a mere 58mpg over the trip. Where,
pray, do you get your info?

I quoted Autocar. They tend to be extremely accurate over this sort of
thing - most others simply give the maker's claims.

Oh - I did virtually the same over the length of the UK and got 31 mpg in
an early one. And it was hard work due to the pathetic performance.

The snag with all the owner's MPG claims is no reputable organisation etc
can match them. Of course if you drive very gently they can be quite good.
But then so are many other cars too.

--
*Eat well, stay fit, die anyway

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

The snag with most "reputable" organisations is that they also have an axe
to grind, like Clarkson, that amusing and entertaining petrol head who made
ripping the **** out the Prius fashionable - and it's been going on ever
since. Mind you we, in the UK, seem to have a penchant for denigrating
anything that elsewhere might get a "well done" - especially if it wasn't
invented here. Of course, as an owner, I'm going to defend my decision to
buy but please don't suggest I would do so by being disreputable. I'm not
being "economical with the truth" - just with the petrol...;-). I sold a
BMW to buy a Prius and it was a hard decision but - given the "real world"
fuel consumption of the two and the frightening difference in maintenance
and servicing costs - there really was no contest. I'm glad to say that my
experience so far and the drastic changes in fuel costs in particular,
convinces me that it was the correct (if somewhat sad) thing to do.

Incidentally, the Autocar review of the MK II Prius stated 44.1 mpg on a run
and I have to HONESTLY say that I have NEVER managed to get my consumption
as low as that. The worst I have achieved was over a tankful of short (5
mile) runs in the Winter and was about 48mpg. I guess if I continually
floored the accelerator something less than that might be achievable, but
that's not my style (nor was it when I had the BMW).

It does occur to me as I write that the difference in reviewed performance
and owned performance might just be because the reviewer has nothing to lose
by getting the worst out of a vehicle whereas the owner has everything to
gain by achieving the best - and therein possibly lies the difference in the
numbers.

Chas