BBC3 insults viewers once again with DOG **** reply

On 15 Mar, 01:39, maffster wrote:
On Mar 14, 10:56*pm, " wrote:





On 14 Mar, 21:49, "Agamemnon" wrote:

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On Mar 14, 3:31 pm, "ChrisM" wrote:

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maffster Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

The awareness of Apple products has grown as a result. Sales of Apple
Macs have increased massively in the past couple of years. Apple
itself has won an award for Branding in the US this week: (http://www.macworld.co.uk/business/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=20716).

ABSOLUTE TOSH!

The primary and only reason for the increased in Apple Mac sales in the last
couple of years is because of the Apple PC based Mac's. It has ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING to do with branding. NOTHING!

This is probably true. Apple has had the same logo for years, and the
same Macs for years. There might conceivably be some connection
between people with iPods wanting a platform that uses Apple's music
file type as its default, but this is a protectionism issue rather
than a branding one. It's the same reason people buy Sony memory cards
instead of Sandisk for Sony digital cameras - they're designed to be
incompatible with everyone else's. It's for the same reason that I got
an MP3 player rather than an iPod; not from some hatred of Apple or
love of whatever generic brand I've got (um, calls itself Matsui - the
fact that I had to check tells you how much bearing it had on my
purchasing decision), but because iPods can't play MP3s.

iPods can play MP3's.
Perhaps you should have done some research before making your
purchasing decision.

Then again, perhaps not. You see, this revelation matters not in the
slightest, which shows just how little relevance brand identity has.
So an iPod can play MP3s. So can some random knock-off MP3 player. So
why pay the excess for the brand name?

Apple has changed it's logo. It was originally a guy sat under a tree
(Newton).
It then changed to the apple with a bite taken out, but was made up of
coloured stripes
It has since evolved into an glass apple then a solid coloured apple.

Can't say I'd noticed. As far as I was aware it was still a stripy
apple - don't remember it ever being Newton.

Apple has rebranded itself too. It changed its name last year from
Apple Computers Inc. to Apple Inc.
People aren't buying Macs because of compatibility issues with their
iPods because their Windows machines work just as well with them!

Okay, But is there any evidence sales of iPods are in any way
correlated with increases in Mac sales? It seems rather more plausible
that Aggy's correct (and this is probably the only time in history
that anyone has ever or will ever utter this phrase) and that it
coincifdes with Mac moving into a PC market full of people who'd buy
any old crap as long as it didn't have a Windows operating system.

Phil

On 15 Mar, 02:02, "Agamemnon" wrote:
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On Mar 14, 6:41 pm, " wrote:





On 14 Mar, 15:07, maffster wrote:

On Mar 13, 9:21 pm, " wrote:

On 13 Mar, 18:04, "Agamemnon" wrote:

I may of course be odd, and my experiences out of the ordinary, so
feel free to dismiss my opinion, but if it didn't work, then why are
they doing it?

IT DOESN'T WORK! Viewing figures for BBC3 have plummeted and changing the
DOG isn't going to make any difference for the better. Removing the DOG
completly will.

Very unlikely - people aren't watching BBC3 because it's crap. You say
the station's three top programmes are Heroes, Doctor Who and
Torchwood, none of which were made for BBC3 or are exclusive to it -
they're shows given to BBC3 to give it part of BBC2's audience share
and so boost ratings. It's not producing any original programming that
anyone wants to watch, irrespective of the graphics it uses.

Phil

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On Mar 14, 6:18 pm, Mike Henry wrote:
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The slight announce to some of a DOG in the corner of
the screen is a shame for them, but a plus for the rest of us.

A plus? The annoyance is a good thing? Pull the other one. Who sees
it and thinks "that's great, this would have been worse without it"?

Your reply to Phil was, and remains, a non sequitur.

Of course it is a non sequitur because it doesn't agree with your
point of view.
The plus is the effect it has in the long term not in the short term
to few people who go around sticking silver foil to their TV sets when
most people seem to be able to ignore it.

Are you one of the pratts that put this crap on people's screens? If things
get much worse I will refuse to pay any licence.

Why not compromise, and offer to only pay a proportion of the fee, ie
proportional to the number of BBC channels without DOGs?

Or proportional to the amount of the screen not containing a DOG?

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I may of course be odd, and my experiences out of the ordinary, so
feel free to dismiss my opinion, but if it didn't work, then why are
they doing it?

IT DOESN'T WORK! Viewing figures for BBC3 have plummeted and changing the
DOG isn't going to make any difference for the better. Removing the DOG
completly will.

Torchwood 2.8 on Three with DOG 2.7 million viewers.
Torchwood 2.9 on Three with no DOG 2.4 million views.

The overnight figures seem to disprove your argument.

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You are quite right . Of course nobody is ASKING for these things, who
would? No I for sure. But these things are transient. Not superimposed
indelibly over the programme.

We must be either speaking of different things, or perhaps speaking a
different language. I thought we were discussing screen clutter in
general, and corner logos in particular, and those most certainly are
not transient. All the corner logos I have seen are present throughout
entire programmes, having been mixed with the video signal before
transmission, making it for all practical purposes impossible to remove
them without blemishing the picture in some other way.

The fact that it is possible to become accustomed to something to the
point of being able to ignore it is no justification whatsoever for
doing it deliberately if it is an undesirable thing to do and it can
easily be avoided. I don't consider it a particularly lofty principle
that television programmes should not be deliberately vandalised by the
very people who broadcast them to us, in a way that wouldn't be
tolerated for a moment if the equivalent things were done to books,
works of art, or theatrical or concert performances. Can you imagine an
advertising sticker on the corner of the Mona Lisa, or someone with a
loudhailer in a concert hall standing up towards the end of a Beethoven
symphony to announce what they'll be playing at the next concert? It
simply represents a disgraceful disrespect for other people's work, and
I can't think of any reason why anyone should think it acceptable in
television when it wouldn't be tolerated in any other artform.

Rod.

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On Mar 15, 2:02*am, "Agamemnon" wrote:
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I think you underestimate the snobbery of people and the need they
have to belong and have identity.
My Grandparents will not watch ITV because it is for common people.
I've already mention the rebranding of BBC2 and how that increased
audience figures.

And were proven to be COMPLETELY WRONG!

Where have I proven to be completely wrong?.


When my children are watching TV when I get home from work if it has
the CBeebies DOG in the corner of the screen, I'm reassured that what
they are watching is not going to be rubbish (although I'll still

TWADDLE! If you cant tell the channel they are watching and its programmes
are for toddlers from the content of the programmes and need a DOG to tell
you or can't be bothered to use your remote control to find out then you are
clearly an ignorant fool.

Your beginning to shout Aggy. Calm down, and don't be so rude.
There are many channels with content for the under 5's, and as I said
some channel show the same programmes, so the programme isn't going to
tell me what channel is on the TV. The DOG can be seen at a glance. I
don't have to look for the control, press the button. It saves me
time. Laziness isn't ignorance.


watch and check - I'm not totally irresponsible and trusting of
institutions) but if I see the Nick Jnr logo and the channel will be
changed straight away

Irrespective of the actual programmes? You are clearly an IMBECILE as well
as being a fool!

You're being rude again.


I know some children that want Nick Jnr on no matter what is showing,
because that is the channel they like to watch. Even if the same
programme is on another channel they would rather watch it on Nick
Jnr. It is irrational and illogical to me, but it is how some children
behave.

Simple solution to your problem. Place a parental lock on the channel if you
don't want your kids watching it!

Good advice. I'll do that (and you didn't even shout to make your
point). Thank you.


The youth audience is very acutely aware of image. To be known to
watch certain things can be cause of great embarrassment or bonding
between this very social section of society.

POPPYCOCK!

If you don't want to watch something then you don't watch it and if your
friends do like you because of it then they are not your friends, and there
is no reason for you to talk to them about it.

But that isn't how young people think. They are trying to work out who
they are and are learning about relationships and friendships. It is
through their experiences that they eventually draw sensible
conclusions like yours above. You must have felt alone at some point
in your life and tried to fit in?


I would guess that very few members of the youth audience actually
make use of things like the Radio Times, but rely on discussions with
their peers that will talk about the channel as well as the programme,
or by channel hoping.

BULL****!

When I was 6 or 7 I was using the programme guides in the local papers
(since unlike the Radio times, the had what was on on all the TV channels at
the time not just BBC programmes).

You were quite unusual then, and certainly would be considered so now.
I seriously doubt many children do as you did.


When I channel hop I look at the TV program not the station. When
watching the program I become aware of the channel through the DOG.

Then you are a FOOL!

Your STB will tell you the name of the channel when you switch over to it
and if you can't remember that for the duration of the programme or when it
tells you during the commercials breaks then you either have a form of early
onset Alzheimer's, some sort of brain injury, or more likely you are an
IGNORANT FOOL!

You are being rude again.
How do you know how I behave? How do you know where I look? how do you
know what information I take in and when?
Not everybody is a clone of you Aggy. We behave in different ways, we
think differently.
Those differences don't make people ignorant or fools, just different.


If I find myself watching a station fairly often I will make the
channel a favourite. That then means it will be in my quick channel
hopping list, and I'll more likely stumble across another program to
watch on that channel, and therefore up their ratings.

Having idents inbetween programs is not enough, especially with
channel hoppers. We have probably moved on before the credits have
ended so will not see the fancy ident.

You are obviously also a TROLL!


Why?
I'm a troll because I disagree with you?
I'm a troll because I can see a different point of view?

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I doubt that the BBC are being sheep and doing it because everybody
else are doing it.
But maybe they are.

Yes they are. Look at Eastenders.

I don't watch soaps, and I thought you didn't either.
I've always tried very hard not to insult you, although you once
claimed I did insult you by suggesting you watched soaps.
What will I see if I look at Eastenders?


It's not worth getting too upset about.

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Why ever not?


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