TOT Mrs Thatcher

"Mark" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:19:55 -0000, "Bill Wright"
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"Mark" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:35:15 -0000, "Bill Wright"
No they don't. I just want enough money to increase my standard of
living to the average level in the area I live. It wouldn't take
millions to do this.

Well of course there are some people with low aspirations. Each to his own
I
suppose. It's lucky that some of us have high aspirations though or the
world would be in a bloody mess. I guess we'd all still be living in
caves.

I feel sorry for you if you think the only guage of success is the
amount of money you have in your bank account.

I made it plain that there are other aspirations. Bringing up your kids to
be responsible productive well-balanced citizens is one. Feeling that you
are a net contributor to society instead of a drain on it is another. But
actually, if you're going to aspire to anything then having lots of money is
quite a good one. It brings all sorts of benefits like being able to afford
things.

Bill

"Ivan" wrote in message
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2.7 million on incapacity benefit, 1.7 million people officially
unemployed plus £80,000,000,000 a year spent on NHS and that's just
scratching the surface of government spending... try hazarding a guess
where the money comes from to pay for it all?

It comes from taxes raised from the productive people.

Bill

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:59:51 -0000, "Bill Wright"
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"Mark" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:19:55 -0000, "Bill Wright"
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"Mark" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:35:15 -0000, "Bill Wright"
No they don't. I just want enough money to increase my standard of
living to the average level in the area I live. It wouldn't take
millions to do this.

Well of course there are some people with low aspirations. Each to his own
I
suppose. It's lucky that some of us have high aspirations though or the
world would be in a bloody mess. I guess we'd all still be living in
caves.

I feel sorry for you if you think the only guage of success is the
amount of money you have in your bank account.

I made it plain that there are other aspirations.

Where? There was no mention of this in your previous post.

Bringing up your kids to
be responsible productive well-balanced citizens is one.

Hooray! And it's a much more important one that having loads of
money.

Feeling that you
are a net contributor to society instead of a drain on it is another. But
actually, if you're going to aspire to anything then having lots of money is
quite a good one.

I would say it depends on how you intend to achieve "having lots of
money". If you intend to achieve it by crime, for example, I would
say it was a bad aspiration.

It brings all sorts of benefits like being able to afford
things.

You don't have to be rich to afford many "things".

M.

"DM" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
Well of course there are some people with low aspirations. Each to his
own I suppose. It's lucky that some of us have high aspirations though
or the world would be in a bloody mess. I guess we'd all still be
living in caves.

Bill
You seem to have some misguided notion that the only high aspiration
people can have is to get rich.
Far from it. People can aspire to succeed in different ways. Some of
these ways lead to wealth. This might be the main driver or it might be a
byproduct. Lots of aspirational people get rich by accident. It's very
nice, but it isn't the main driver, which could be a love of their art or
science, or even (paradoxically) a desire to help humanity.

There you are you can be quite reasonable. Now why did you want to slate
off somebody as having low aspirations for not wanting to get rich.?
Because of the way it was said, and the implications.

Bill

"Mark" wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:59:51 -0000, "Bill Wright"
I made it plain that there are other aspirations.

Where? There was no mention of this in your previous post.

It was unspoken because it's a given.


Bringing up your kids to
be responsible productive well-balanced citizens is one.

Hooray! And it's a much more important one that having loads of
money.
You can't assign comparitive values because these are completely different
areas of life. Both are important but in different ways. I suppose to take
an extreme example I'd rather have my three kids as they are (productive
well-balanced citizens) than three million quid, but it's a very artificial
comparison and quite meaningless really. After all, one thing that's turned
them into what they are is seeing mum and dad set a good example by toiling
away to get rich! And a major result of them being productive well-balanced
citizens is that they all earn a lot of dosh. (It's a mixed feeling when you
realise that your kids are doing much better than you ever managed!)


I would say it depends on how you intend to achieve "having lots of
money". If you intend to achieve it by crime, for example, I would
say it was a bad aspiration.

Oh come now, isn't that so obvious that it doesn't need saying? Criminals we
are not!


It brings all sorts of benefits like being able to afford
things.

You don't have to be rich to afford many "things".
That depends on what things you want!

Bill

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:07:43 -0000, "Ivan"
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2.7 million on incapacity benefit, 1.7 million people officially unemployed
plus £80,000,000,000 a year spent on NHS and that's just scratching the
surface of government spending... try hazarding a guess where the money
comes from to pay for it all?

It's not quite as simple as that. Infrastructure is expensive. But
infrastructure allows people who work to earn lots of money. Well,
lots more than the same amount of effort would earn in an undeveloped
country.

Bill Wright wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:
Well of course there are some people with low aspirations. Each to his
own I suppose. It's lucky that some of us have high aspirations though
or the world would be in a bloody mess. I guess we'd all still be
living in caves.

Bill
You seem to have some misguided notion that the only high aspiration
people can have is to get rich.
Far from it. People can aspire to succeed in different ways. Some of
these ways lead to wealth. This might be the main driver or it might be a
byproduct. Lots of aspirational people get rich by accident. It's very
nice, but it isn't the main driver, which could be a love of their art or
science, or even (paradoxically) a desire to help humanity.
There you are you can be quite reasonable. Now why did you want to slate
off somebody as having low aspirations for not wanting to get rich.?
Because of the way it was said, and the implications.

Bill


It is somewhat ironic that it was the way in which your reply was made,
the obvious implication was that you infer the only high aspiration
people could have was to get rich.

David

"DM" wrote in message
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It is somewhat ironic that it was the way in which your reply was made,
the obvious implication was that you infer the only high aspiration people
could have was to get rich.

An implication leading to an inference? That's a bit tenuous! Any such
inference would be unwarranted, unsuprisingly because inferences are often
in the eye of the beholder. Anyone who knows my own lifestyle and philosophy
would agree that I don't believe that the only high aspiration people could
have was to get rich.
Far from it, in fact. I see lots of people like that -- people who I always
say have 'lost sight of the goal -- and I feel that I am much wiser than
them. But I also feel that I am wiser, cleverer, more fulfilled, morally
better, a better citizen, and generally totally superior in every respect to
the inadequate saddos who, whatever the stupid excuses, cripple their
families by their own lack of aspiration (read idleness), hard work, and
MONEY LOVELY MONEY!

Bill