anyone recommend a good OTA HD tuner/receiver/antenna?

"Wes Newell" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:12:24 -0800, khee mao wrote:


Myth looks pretty awesome, but can I run it on a PC that isn't cabled to
the TV I'd want to watch the programming on?

I'm not certain I understand your question. Each TV/monitor in the system
has to be connected to a PC. MythTV is a client-server based system,
meaning there has to be at least 1 server. The client can also be on the
server and/or on PC's at other locations connected via a network, wired or
wireless. You can also use a client machine as a slave server if you want
to, to add more tuner cards/devices into the system. All clients have
access to all (running) servers. The master server must be running for the
system to work. You can turn off all other client/server machines anytime
you want to. I leave my master server on 24/7, but that's not even
required. Client machines I only turn on when I want to watch recordings,
play dvd's, listen to music, whatever is in the PC. A client machine must
consist of a display card (or onboard video). It doesn't *require* a HDD,
dvd player or anything else other than a keyboard or remote. It can boot
off the network, from a dvd drive (need a KB), or I suppose from a flash
drive, although I've always installed an HDD and DVD player/recorder. if
this doesn't answer your question, then be more specific and ask again.


sorry if I wasn't clear. let me try again. I have a PC that could easily
hold an ATSC tuner card or two, but it's not directly connected to my main
TV, which is in another room. I currently have an xbox 360 and PS3 directly
connected to this TV though, and they can both playback all kinds of media
from my PC via a wireless link. could these consoles also receive the
(live?) streams from the PC and send the picture to my TV or does the PC
with the ATSC tuners need to be connected directly to the TV? thanks.

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:01:50 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:

And we'll just ignore the posts from you about tweaking obscure files
to make this and that work.

For some things I don't use what would be considered plug and play
parts or I don't like some remote codes so I customize them. I also run
slave servers on all my myth boxes. Right now, none of the myth distros
handle this properly so I fix it manually. ost people will never run a
slave server. I don't really need to, but I put 1 tuner in each client
box for the hell of it. i don't use standard remotes either, so I have
to customize that. These are things most people wouldn't screw with.

And yet, these are things that ReplayTV does out of the box, without the
****ing around that you admit you have to do.

No, it doesn't. You can't just go out and pickup any remote and come back
and use it without programing it for the Replay codes. And you sure as
hell can't add tuners to it at all. Like the Tivo I used to have before
switching to digital, it worked fine with analog SD. Both it and your
precious ReplayTV are now worthless pieces of junk for anyone wanting
digital TV. And compared to any multiple tuner PC based recorder with
multiple tuners, it's a joke even with NTSC. I could just as well have 6
NTSC tuners in my system as ATSC and record 6 NTSC shows at once with it
while you're stuck with one. The only person you are kidding is yourself.

Plus, Replay's remote is a thing of beauty--and gee, it works right out
of the box.

Wow, just like any remote with any other commercial recorder or TV you
buy. That's really freaking unique. Well, If I had bought a compatible
remote for my system, it would have worked right out of the box too. In
fact, there's a choice of many that will work right out of the box. I just
didn't buy one and used old programmable remotes I already had.

So now you're backpedalling to "well, yeah, of course it can't do THAT
out of the box, and takes weird tweaking to do THIS"--and are trying to
dismiss these things because, after all, "NOBODY would want to do THAT".

No, I'm not back pedaling at all. You just want to change facts.

And
since I did it once, I save all my custom files on the main server. it
only takes a couple of minutes to ssh in and copy them to the new box.
I could completely wipe out the drives on my 2 client machines and have
them both back up and running in less than 2 hours. Once you have them
running, all the data settings are stored in the mysql database of the
master srever, so it automatically picks up the old settings when you
bring up a machine using the same name.

Keep digging.

Digging? If I was digging, I'd bury you.


It's quite obvious you don't know crap about MythTV, yet you still seem
to want to challenge me about how it works when I've been using it for
about 3 years and installed it many times using different metthods from
compiling it from source to using 4 different distros.

It must be nice and cool down in that hole. Is it damp, too?

Keep telling us how Myth is so easy and requires no hacking/tweaking at
levels nobody wants to do.

It's extremely easy if you use supported hardware. If you don't, you'd
need an at least a 3 digit IQ to get it working. Or you could simply ask
for help in the mythtv newsgroup.

Some people may say
you're just out to make yourself look silly, but I know the real
reason.:-)

You mean, exposing the truth?

No, I mean letting your personal dislike for me alter everything you say.
Same as in the Tivo group where you TivoNeros just couldn't stand the fact
that I didn't agree with you.:-)

You're doing a fine job of that for me. Oh, do tell us more.

Hell, the thread you even posted from the AVS forums was about EOL for the
ReplayTV. Seems they all, but you maybe think its reached it.:-)

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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:25:28 -0800, khee mao wrote:

sorry if I wasn't clear. let me try again. I have a PC that could
easily hold an ATSC tuner card or two, but it's not directly connected
to my main TV, which is in another room. I currently have an xbox 360
and PS3 directly connected to this TV though, and they can both playback
all kinds of media from my PC via a wireless link. could these consoles
also receive the (live?) streams from the PC and send the picture to my
TV or does the PC with the ATSC tuners need to be connected directly to
the TV? thanks.

There's an Xbox mod to run Mythtv on it. I'm not familiar with it, but
there should be lots of info on it on the web. Not sure about the PS3. A
search for xbox mythtv will get you lots of hits. Here's the first.

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Frontend

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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:18:04 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:

Like the Tivo I used to have before
switching to digital, it worked fine with analog SD. Both it and your
precious ReplayTV are now worthless pieces of junk for anyone wanting
digital TV.

nah. My cable company delivers TV right to my house.

And so do all the TV stations in my area. And I record HDTV for free. I
used to have 4 recorders hooked to my TV so I could record 4 shows at
once. It was a pita in every way. And that doesn't count the other two on
the other TV. All that crap is gone now and good riddance.



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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:22:07 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:

You're doing a fine job of that for me. Oh, do tell us more.

Hell, the thread you even posted from the AVS forums was about EOL for
the ReplayTV. Seems they all, but you maybe think its reached it.:-)

The thread I referenced was acknowledgement that it's time to move on.

It's also acknowledgement that nothing, not Myth, not Beyond, not Sage,
nothing is equal to ReplayTV in terms of operational convenience and
feature level.

The ONLY thing you can harp on is "Replay doesn't record digital TV".
Big whoop. Oh, yeah--it also can't record more than one thing at a
time. That's why people have gotten multiple Replays--just like you've
built multiple Myth boxes. Fascinating....

You are full of crap.

You would watch grass grow as long as it was in HD. Well, I don't give
a rat's ass about the picture quality--I need actual content, which is
why I want a DVR. And I don't want commercials.

I don't want commercials either, that why skip them with MyhtTV. Why you
think ReplayTv is the only software that can do this is beyond me. It
isn't. When are you going to get that through that thick skull of yours.
And yes it marks them while recording, and I can skip them while it's
still recording.

Now, you've already named a few things you can't do with ReplayTV. I
could name a lot more. Now name something that MythTV can't do that the
ReplayTV will do.

Waiting...:-)



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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:48:06 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:

nah. My cable company delivers TV right to my house.

And so do all the TV stations in my area. And I record HDTV for free.

yeah, because your time spent fiddling with your Myth boxen is
apparently worth zero.

You record HDTV. You also record a lot of stuff that isn't HD.

Even the shows that are filmed in SD are recorded in HD. That's because
they are broadcast in SD upconverted to HD. And it's a much clearer
picture than standard 480i. There's really only one station here That I
watch that is digital SD. And while it's fairly clear, it not near as
clear as the SD over HD.

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On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:48:42 -0500, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

In article [email protected],
Wes Newell wrote:

I
used to have 4 recorders hooked to my TV so I could record 4 shows at
once. It was a pita in every way. And that doesn't count the other two
on the other TV. All that crap is gone now and good riddance.

And is replaced by multiple MythTV boxen spread around your house, as
you just explained....not a few hours ago.

Right. One box at each TV location, compared to 4 stacked with a mess of
cables. And instead of having to set recordings on 6 boxes, I now just
have to set them on one. And it can be any of them. The system functions
as one.



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Wes Newell wrote:

It's usually just cheaper buying an HDTV
than a huge monitor.

Why is this? Why are HDTV in larger screen sizes say in
26-32 inch cheaper than a 24" monitor only?

It would seem that a monitor only should be cheaper
since it doesn't have the additional electronics of an
HDTV

Wes Newell wrote:

A client machine must
consist of a display card (or onboard video). It doesn't *require* a HDD,
dvd player or anything else other than a keyboard or remote

So you must have a keyboard hooked up?

anyway to get around that so al the client has to be is
a"box" with only ram and video card... and no muse or
keyboard hooked up?

also.. I'm curious what you think of these "media
extenders" such as from Sage and DLink and such?

Would they make a good client and low power ones as
well?

I'm a bit concerned abt having al these PCs running
24/7 as they just announced a huge electric rate
increase in my area

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:40:38 -0600, me wrote:

Wes Newell wrote:

A client machine must
consist of a display card (or onboard video). It doesn't *require* a
HDD, dvd player or anything else other than a keyboard or remote

So you must have a keyboard hooked up?

No, KB *OR* remote. Although having a KB on it isn't a big deal. I just
leave it on top of the box.

anyway to get around that so al the client has to be is a"box" with only
ram and video card... and no muse or keyboard hooked up?

They have to have a KB *or* Remote control to control the thing. I have
both wireless KB/mouse and a remote.

also.. I'm curious what you think of these "media extenders" such as
from Sage and DLink and such?

Don't know what they are. Don't care.

Would they make a good client and low power ones as well?

Ditto.

I'm a bit concerned abt having al these PCs running 24/7 as they just
announced a huge electric rate increase in my area

Then don't leave them running. I've already told you they didn't need to
be running 24/7. *I* run *one* of mine 24/7. But that's not because of
mythtv. It's been running 24/7 for over 15 years, back to when I was a hub
in fidonet. Closer to 20 years I guess.



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