Online Hi-Def vs. Blu-Ray

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Rod Speed wrote
Alpha wrote

There *will be local storage*, but on solid state media.

Irrelevant to that claim that all the apps will be running from a remote server and wont be local.

While "all" might be an overstatement, MS hasn't made any secret of their direction and intent.

Taint gunna happen, whatever MS might or might not want or intend.

Like everything from FM radio to cable TV, what was once a
wonderful communication and entertainment medium is being
all but destroyed by corporate greed and the unwashed masses.

The PC software situation is nothing even remotely resembling anything like 'destroyed'
when you are welcome to use quite decent FREE software if you prefer that.

The bottom line is, no one knows what will happen eventually.

Wrong. We can be completely sure that there will always
be alternatives to operations that are stupid enough to try
flogging only software that must be run from a central server.

But judging from prior experience, for every computer user who
cares about their privacy and control over their own system, at
least nine other users don't are, and will gladly bend over and bark,
regardless of how extreme and ridiculous this corporate greed gets.

There will never ever be enough of those to ensure that anyone
who isnt into doing anything like that wont have a viable alternative.

In spades with an industry where there are ALREADY free apps that
will do almost everything that anyone wants to do with personal system.

There is absolutely nothing any corp can ever do about that.

They get to like it or lump it.

So in my opinion it's clear most apps will eventually
be run from remote servers and subscription based.

Your opinion is a complete dud. It aint gunna happen.

There isnt any point with the free stuff that will do what most want to do on their personal system.

Rod Speed wrote:
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While "all" might be an overstatement, MS hasn't made any secret of their direction and intent.

Taint gunna happen, whatever MS might or might not want or intend.

In fact, seems like lately there's been more of a pattern of "If
Microsoft's for it, stick a fork in it NOW, and save time."

(And whether that's a joke about HD, X-Box, Vista, or the "future"
download industry, take your pick.)

Derek Janssen

In article ,
Just Visiting wrote:

Well, here we go again! This format war should be more interesting
than the last one. Since online video has exploded in the last couple
of years, anyone can save their favorite movies and clips to any media
they want. The movie studios will probably require registration per
movie per IP address. Toshiba could still offer a hardware solution
for this market though. The cable, phone and satellite companies will
make out with this one, too. However, somebody will still offer a
retail or mail order movie business if the studios are willing to
license their material on various types of media versus online
distribution. It doesn't have to be limited to Blu-Ray with the
threat of hi-def online content. For the consumer, it has to be an
offer that will last for many years to come. Isn't competition great?
Hee-hee...

With Wal-Mart's recent announcement that it will not sell HD DVD
products, only Blu-ray, that little format war is all but over.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:04:13 -0500, FDR wrote:

ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:33:13 -0500, FDR wrote:

ChairmanOfTheBored wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:20:01 -0500, FDR wrote:

flambe wrote:
Being a curmudgeon is one thing, seeing where things are headed is another.
As the internet pipeline widens nearly all content delivery will move there,
particularly the delivery of pre-recorded materials.
DVD has made inroads in portable devices but the market will move to an ipod
style download model over the long term, as will what people now regard as
OTA/Cable/Satellite television.
Unfortunately in the rush to move to this model consumers will have to
endure compression schemes as bad or worse than what we are now seeing.
However as bandwidth increases this will improve if consumers demand it:
alas most consumers are morons.


Wait until your pc becomes a cheap applicance where nearly all programs
will be run from a remote server. Yourhard drive will be just a
redundant back up drive.
Wrong. Idiot. SOME of you dopes will go that way, but most of us will
retain stand alone, local data storage as the norm.
More companies are offering remote storage for their stuff. I'm not
saying that local won't go away, but more people will go in that direction.


No. More DOPES will go that way.

Real people with real brains will not.

Imagine the companies telling you that you can watch your home videos or
pictures on line from anywhere in the world. That they'll guarantee you
100% protection of data loss. Things like that. I wouldn't be
surprised if it was the norm.

and you trust that that would happen without obscene copy protection
schemes, and without handy ways to lock you out of what you have
purchased.

just sayin'

G

Imagine the companies telling you that you can watch your home
videos or pictures on line from anywhere in the world. That they'll
guarantee you 100% protection of data loss. Things like that. I
wouldn't be surprised if it was the norm.

and you trust that that would happen without obscene copy protection
schemes, and without handy ways to lock you out of what you have
purchased.

I thought "home videos" meant home-made videos. People are already able
to watch commercial videos from just about anywhere in the world that
has a TV set.

FDR wrote:

And it will be sitting on a shelf collecting dust because it's Spiderman
or some other **** movie that's not worth watching more than twice.

(Yes!--And FDR's finally down through all the "HD is better" and
"Downloads" defenses to "Who cares, all movies are crap anyway!"...We
win!) :-D

Derek Janssen (wow, that took longer than it did with Lloyd Parsons!)

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article ,
StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:

You think that in 15 years mechanical storage will exist?

You're an utter idiot if you think it won't. This ain't Star Trek,
boy.

Think back 15 years to what you were using and to what you said would
never come to pass in 15 years.

"The only way to predict the future is to invent it." -- Alan Kay

Consider that. Consider that in 1973 Alan Kay, Butler Lampson, Chuck
Thacker, et al. were inventing a future you would have bet the farm
would never have happened within 15 years. And yet it did. By 1975
they were working, daily, with things that wouldn't be common in the
office until 1990--but common they were, and now they're to a point
where you can't imagine it being any other way.

Just like typewriters and carbon paper, this spinning disc thing too
shall pass.

Trouble is that the same sort of mindless claim was made about cars
too, that we'd absolutely be guaranteed to be zooming around in
personal helicopters instead of cars by now too. Didnt happen tho.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
In article ,
"Rod Speed" wrote:


Just like typewriters and carbon paper, this spinning disc thing too
shall pass.

Trouble is that the same sort of mindless claim was made about cars
too, that we'd absolutely be guaranteed to be zooming around in
personal helicopters instead of cars by now too. Didnt happen tho.


No, but the infrastructure for doing it all solid state and streaming is
in place. It's just a matter of beefing up what we already have.

We did NOT have an infrastructure for flying cars, plus no one even
started looking that way.

Remember seeing your first 1 megapixel digital camera?

Did you ever say, "nah, we'll never be rid of film"?

Um, but like DVD's, that was before we'd ever tried one.

As noted--REPEATEDLY--download structures of various sources have been
around for twenty years.
We still don't like them.

(And creating a fantasy world where everyone "suddenly" loves them, just
because you have Sony issues, is not going to "suddenly" make us love
downloads more.)

Derek Janssen (there is a point at which pessimism-loves-company hits a
brick wall)

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Nope, because the end users wont wear not being able to use it unless they
are online.
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I had one grunch, but the eggplant over there?

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Just like typewriters and carbon paper, this spinning disc thing too shall pass.

Trouble is that the same sort of mindless claim was made about cars
too, that we'd absolutely be guaranteed to be zooming around in
personal helicopters instead of cars by now too. Didnt happen tho.

No, but the infrastructure for doing it all solid state and streaming is in place.

It is for personal helicopters too.

The reason it didnt happen has nothing to do with infrastucture.

It's just a matter of beefing up what we already have.

What matters is the cost and while ever we keep needing lots of local
storage and can get that much more cheaply with hard drives, we will
continue to do that. I'm about to have 2TB in my PVR and that just aint
feasible with solid state memory. Its only viable for music currently.

We did NOT have an infrastructure for flying cars,

Wrong. They are no harder to make than cars.

plus no one even started looking that way.

Yes they did, and some of the stinking rich went that way.

Remember seeing your first 1 megapixel digital camera?

Did you ever say, "nah, we'll never be rid of film"?

Nope, never did. Never did with floppys either. Paper tape and punched cards in spades.