Ultimate Tivo Unit - When? Thoughts please.

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:03:54 -0800, Paul Knudsen
wrote:

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:20:20 -0500, Frank wrote:

I would love a Tivo player, but I'm stubborn to a certain extent. What
I am looking for basically is a Tivo series 3 player that also has a
DVD Recorder.

When will such a unit come out, if ever? I will purchase one the day
this happens.

What I am looking to do obviously is archive material off the HD in
high speed.

My wife uses a separate recorder. It's easy enough, and besides you
won't have to get a new TIVO if a new DVD format comes out.

Yes, I have thought of this. The issue though is that you can only
record at 1x speed. I want to do better than that.

On 04 Feb 2008 07:58:23 GMT, Doug McIntyre wrote:

Frank writes:
I would love a Tivo player, but I'm stubborn to a certain extent. What
I am looking for basically is a Tivo series 3 player that also has a
DVD Recorder.

When will such a unit come out, if ever? I will purchase one the day
this happens.

What I am looking to do obviously is archive material off the HD in
high speed.


So, you want a TiVo box with its lowly CPU to be able to
downconvert HD content into SD DVD format?

Or, did you really want a BluRay recorder so you can keep it at HD?

Or did you want to just store the files on backup media so you can
watch it incase of hardware storage failure?

The later is the most likely case, and you can do that with
TiVoDesktop and download the content off the HD TiVo as long as the
content provider hasn't flagged it as not-copyable.
It just takes a while to download and upload HD content back and forth
to your PC over the network.. The encryption that the content
providers want takes its toll on the TiVo.

If you want free unrestricted access to all content, you'll never see
it. The content owners will see to that. TiVo isn't holding you back.

Actually, the final DVD recording doesn't even have to be true HD. I
just want something all in one box, nice and neat. The only things I
would record to DVD is TV programming. No movies, for example. Not
even sporting events for that matter. Just regular TV shows.

Frank wrote:


Actually, the final DVD recording doesn't even have to be true HD. I
just want something all in one box, nice and neat. The only things I
would record to DVD is TV programming. No movies, for example. Not
even sporting events for that matter. Just regular TV shows.

Unfortunately, when I looked into it, didn't find anything new, so it was
either get a used unit off ebay (humax or toshiba, one box), or go with two
seperate units (s3 and a dvd burner)

ps the newer units from toshiba at least, use tvguide for info rather than
tivo, if in fact you just want to record/burn off regular tv, look at the
units that support tvgude rather than tivo, but they do save to dvd, and
that dvd can be played on a regular dvd player

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:12:18 -0500, Frank wrote:
Actually, the final DVD recording doesn't even have to be true HD. I
just want something all in one box, nice and neat. The only things I
would record to DVD is TV programming. No movies, for example. Not
even sporting events for that matter. Just regular TV shows.

Then, before Wes pops up, may I recommend a nice media PC in an
appropriate case, with a DVD burner drive and some nice PVR software? It
probably won't set you back more than about what a Series 3 would, even
including a Windows license.

--
Nay, God Himself will not save men against their wills. -Locke

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:00:32 -0600, Peter H. Coffin wrote:

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:12:18 -0500, Frank wrote:
Actually, the final DVD recording doesn't even have to be true HD. I
just want something all in one box, nice and neat. The only things I
would record to DVD is TV programming. No movies, for example. Not
even sporting events for that matter. Just regular TV shows.

Then, before Wes pops up, may I recommend a nice media PC in an
appropriate case, with a DVD burner drive and some nice PVR software? It
probably won't set you back more than about what a Series 3 would, even
including a Windows license.

Too late, I suggested a PC recorder yesterday. Although I didn't specify
what software, I sure wouldn't recommend wasting money on any win
software when you can use free software that will do a better job and
will never cost you a cent to upgrade. I just put together a system with
a dual core X2 3800 7050PV HDTV MB, 1 gb ram, 300GB drive, with 1 HDTV
tuner. Total cost was under $300.
Case and PSU $30
MB/CPU $80
Ram $30
300GB HD $50
KB/mouse $8
HDTV tuner $20
Remote w/IR rec $5
Software $0 Mythbuntu

Total $223

You can't even come close to a S3 (or Tivo-HD) for that. Yes, I got the
MB/cpu, ram, and HDD on sale. All the rest is normal pricing.

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I do a lot of DVD burning to pass shows on to in-laws who have no cable and
to son who can't afford cable.


"Bill Kearney" wrote in message
t...
I would love a Tivo player, but I'm stubborn to a certain extent. What
I am looking for basically is a Tivo series 3 player that also has a
DVD Recorder.

I wonder what percentage of folks actually use the DVD burner in the
existing Tivo units? What are they burning and are they ever actually
watching it? I ask this because among the several folks I know with these
units none of them have made any serious effort to burn discs beyond a
couple of them at the beginning. Most, when asked, were MUCH more
interested in the proposition of upgrading the hard drive in there to just
allow them to hold more records on the drive.

Now, I'm not saying burning discs is a waste of time, or that an
integrated unit with hi-def features would be a bad idea. I'm just
wondering if there's really any significant userbase for it.

-Bill Kearney

So you, in essense, steal the programming. I'd imagine that's chief among
the many reasons such a device DOESN'T get shipped.

"Art" wrote in message
. ..
I do a lot of DVD burning to pass shows on to in-laws who have no cable and
to son who can't afford cable.

I wonder what percentage of folks actually use the DVD burner in the
existing Tivo units? What are they burning and are they ever actually
watching it? I ask this because among the several folks I know with
these units none of them have made any serious effort to burn discs
beyond a couple of them at the beginning. Most, when asked, were MUCH
more interested in the proposition of upgrading the hard drive in there
to just allow them to hold more records on the drive.

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:59:57 -0500 "Bill Kearney" wrote:

BK "Art" wrote in message
BK . ..
I do a lot of DVD burning to pass shows on to in-laws who have no cable and
to son who can't afford cable.

BK So you, in essense, steal the programming. I'd imagine that's chief among
BK the many reasons such a device DOESN'T get shipped.

That's not theft, though it does possibly infringe copyrights. See for example

http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquir...nt-pay-artists

QUOTE:
The notion of copyright infringement as theft was clearly addressed in
the 1985 Supreme Court decision of Dowling v. United States. While this
case involved hard goods (phonograph records), Justice Harry Blackmun
was most certainly speaking of abstract property (copyrights) when he
wrote these words in his majority decision overturning Dowling's
conviction of interstate transport of stolen property: "(copyright
infringement) does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or
fraud... The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed
to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control
over copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use."
END QUOTE

Ted

Art wrote:
I do a lot of DVD burning to pass shows on to in-laws who have no
cable and to son who can't afford cable.



In that case look at the many DVR (Digital Video recorders) that do exactly
that, and do NOT use the tivo software... (search on dvd recorders with hard
disk)

Here's an elcheapo one from walmart
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=8054241

or look at these from toshiba (make sure you only look at the ones with hard
disks)
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvr/dvdrecorder.asp

I have one of these
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvr/prod...?model=rd-xs35 but it's about
$399......

Ted Zlatanov wrote:

That's not theft, though it does possibly infringe copyrights.

Correct, but not really relevant to Bill's main point that what Art does
-- "sharing" programming without even moving it out of the digital
domain -- is precisely what content providers have been trying to
prevent, or at least retard, for years. They browbeat Replay into
eliminating Internet program sharing and have forced the consumer
electronics industry to accept DRM schemes like encryption for DVDs and
HDCP for HDMI. There's no way they'd sit still if TiVo made it easy for
technically unsophisticated consumers to distribute bit-perfect copies
of recorded programs to anybody with a DVD player.