The Economist Article: Sharper image - Who needs Blu-ray or HD DVD anyway? DOA

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On Feb 4, 4:18 pm, really real wrote:
What has become clear is that Blu-ray and HD DVD are both interim
solutions-if even that. They are marginally better than upscaled DVDs,
but
neither will stand much of a chance against fibre's ability to deliver
high-definition video on demand. Meanwhile, neither comes close to
giving
the kind of "immersive reality" that vision engineers drool over.

I disagree with this. I just bought a PS3 so I could play Planet Earth
Blu Ray. The difference between a high def dvd and a regular dvd is so
startling that I no longer want to buy regular dvds.

You can buy an upscaled DVD for under $100 and the difference for most
people won't be noticable.

Well then they're stupid. I have a large collection of HD-DVD and BD discs
and a very large collection of DVD's. I also have an up-scaler. The
difference is more than barely noticeable. 1080p on a big screen is a far
cry from an upscaled standard def DVD. Can't tell? Then go to the doctor
cause' your blind.

RKRM wrote:
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On Feb 4, 4:18 pm, really real wrote:

What has become clear is that Blu-ray and HD DVD are both interim
solutions-if even that. They are marginally better than upscaled DVDs,
but
neither will stand much of a chance against fibre's ability to deliver
high-definition video on demand. Meanwhile, neither comes close to
giving
the kind of "immersive reality" that vision engineers drool over.

I disagree with this. I just bought a PS3 so I could play Planet Earth
Blu Ray. The difference between a high def dvd and a regular dvd is so
startling that I no longer want to buy regular dvds.


You can buy an upscaled DVD for under $100 and the difference for most
people won't be noticable.

Well then they're stupid. I have a large collection of HD-DVD and BD discs
and a very large collection of DVD's. I also have an up-scaler. The
difference is more than barely noticeable. 1080p on a big screen is a far
cry from an upscaled standard def DVD. Can't tell? Then go to the doctor
cause' your blind.

Or put on any Paramount disk, where the opening logo shows an
upscaled-DVD version of the Mountain. And then the BD/HD version.
Just to rub it in.

Derek Janssen (they WANTED to answer the question, you see)

In alt.games.video.xbox RKRM wrote:

Well then they're stupid. I have a large collection of HD-DVD and BD discs
and a very large collection of DVD's. I also have an up-scaler. The
difference is more than barely noticeable. 1080p on a big screen is a far
cry from an upscaled standard def DVD. Can't tell? Then go to the doctor
cause' your blind.

Are they? Or are they using a smallish screen which isn't even capable of
fully displaying the difference between 720p and 1080p - much less an
upscaled DVD vs a HD one.

Not everyone is going to be buying the large 50", 60"+ screens you know.

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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:29:07 -0800, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:04:42 -0800, "RKRM" wrote:

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On Feb 4, 4:18 pm, really real wrote:
What has become clear is that Blu-ray and HD DVD are both interim
solutions-if even that. They are marginally better than upscaled DVDs,
but
neither will stand much of a chance against fibre's ability to deliver
high-definition video on demand. Meanwhile, neither comes close to
giving
the kind of "immersive reality" that vision engineers drool over.

I disagree with this. I just bought a PS3 so I could play Planet Earth
Blu Ray. The difference between a high def dvd and a regular dvd is so
startling that I no longer want to buy regular dvds.

You can buy an upscaled DVD for under $100 and the difference for most
people won't be noticable.

Well then they're stupid. I have a large collection of HD-DVD and BD discs
and a very large collection of DVD's. I also have an up-scaler. The
difference is more than barely noticeable. 1080p on a big screen is a far
cry from an upscaled standard def DVD. Can't tell? Then go to the doctor
cause' your blind.

EXACTLY!

The difference is quite notable, and ANY dip**** that claims there is
no difference, or that he or she cannot see one is nothing more than one
of those twits we are all familiar with that have no concept of detail,
whether it be in the realm of video media and display technology or the
truth about biting one's nails.

I totally agree. I've always wondered just what type of people claim
that there isn't much of a difference between an upscaled 1080p
regular DVD movie and an HD-DVD/BluRay and I'm pretty sure those are
the ones who either don't have an HDTV in the first place and need to
exert such a claim to make themselves fee better, or have one of those
28" Walmart wannabe HDTVs which probably shows the same picture
quality between SD and HD signals.

"ChairmanOfTheBored" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:50:12 GMT, Derek Janssen
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RKRM wrote:
wrote in message
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On Feb 4, 4:18 pm, really real wrote:

What has become clear is that Blu-ray and HD DVD are both interim
solutions-if even that. They are marginally better than upscaled DVDs,
but
neither will stand much of a chance against fibre's ability to deliver
high-definition video on demand. Meanwhile, neither comes close to
giving
the kind of "immersive reality" that vision engineers drool over.

I disagree with this. I just bought a PS3 so I could play Planet Earth
Blu Ray. The difference between a high def dvd and a regular dvd is so
startling that I no longer want to buy regular dvds.


You can buy an upscaled DVD for under $100 and the difference for most
people won't be noticable.

Well then they're stupid. I have a large collection of HD-DVD and BD
discs
and a very large collection of DVD's. I also have an up-scaler. The
difference is more than barely noticeable. 1080p on a big screen is a
far
cry from an upscaled standard def DVD. Can't tell? Then go to the doctor
cause' your blind.

Or put on any Paramount disk, where the opening logo shows an
upscaled-DVD version of the Mountain. And then the BD/HD version.
Just to rub it in.

Derek Janssen (they WANTED to answer the question, you see)


Idiot. The lead in is new now, and NOT a mere upscaled standard DVD
lead in. So even the HD DVD disc now has a new Paramount lead in.

Got any other stupid bull****, dumbass?

Grammar FTW..

" Holy Moses wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:29:07 -0800, StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 06:04:42 -0800, "RKRM" wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Feb 4, 4:18 pm, really real wrote:
What has become clear is that Blu-ray and HD DVD are both interim
solutions-if even that. They are marginally better than upscaled
DVDs,
but
neither will stand much of a chance against fibre's ability to
deliver
high-definition video on demand. Meanwhile, neither comes close to
giving
the kind of "immersive reality" that vision engineers drool over.

I disagree with this. I just bought a PS3 so I could play Planet Earth
Blu Ray. The difference between a high def dvd and a regular dvd is so
startling that I no longer want to buy regular dvds.

You can buy an upscaled DVD for under $100 and the difference for most
people won't be noticable.

Well then they're stupid. I have a large collection of HD-DVD and BD
discs
and a very large collection of DVD's. I also have an up-scaler. The
difference is more than barely noticeable. 1080p on a big screen is a far
cry from an upscaled standard def DVD. Can't tell? Then go to the doctor
cause' your blind.

EXACTLY!

The difference is quite notable, and ANY dip**** that claims there is
no difference, or that he or she cannot see one is nothing more than one
of those twits we are all familiar with that have no concept of detail,
whether it be in the realm of video media and display technology or the
truth about biting one's nails.

I totally agree. I've always wondered just what type of people claim
that there isn't much of a difference between an upscaled 1080p
regular DVD movie and an HD-DVD/BluRay and I'm pretty sure those are
the ones who either don't have an HDTV in the first place and need to
exert such a claim to make themselves fee better, or have one of those
28" Walmart wannabe HDTVs which probably shows the same picture
quality between SD and HD signals.


or c: need to see an optometrist.

On 2008-02-06, Holy wrote:
I totally agree. I've always wondered just what type of people claim
that there isn't much of a difference between an upscaled 1080p
regular DVD movie and an HD-DVD/BluRay and I'm pretty sure those are
the ones who either don't have an HDTV in the first place and need to
exert such a claim to make themselves fee better, or have one of those
28" Walmart wannabe HDTVs which probably shows the same picture
quality between SD and HD signals.

Which was the whole point of the original article, that the majority of
people are using just such TV sets, and so won't see any big improvement
overupscaled DVD. It never said that there was no significant difference,
it said that the majority of people wouldn't be able to see one.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
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StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt wrote:

The difference is quite notable, and ANY dip**** that claims there is
no difference, or that he or she cannot see one is nothing more than one
of those twits we are all familiar with that have no concept of detail,
whether it be in the realm of video media and display technology or the
truth about biting one's nails.

But people don't care, overall.

Either way, you're left in your own world.


Elmo! That is a brilliant and insightful remark. =)


winfield

"The alMIGHTY N" wrote in message
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I totally agree. I've always wondered just what type of people claim
that there isn't much of a difference between an upscaled 1080p
regular DVD movie and an HD-DVD/BluRay and I'm pretty sure those are
the ones who either don't have an HDTV in the first place and need to
exert such a claim to make themselves fee better, or have one of those
28" Walmart wannabe HDTVs which probably shows the same picture
quality between SD and HD signals.

or c: need to see an optometrist.

d) don't need to validate their lives by their ability to notice a few
thousand extra pixels and buying a $3,000 television to do it.


e: are too dumb to get a better job than fast food fryer, got dumber from
inhaling fryer fumes and airborne fry dust for forty hours per week over the
past 7 years, and save their all too dumb egos by telling themselves things
like ~fry cooks are like, an invaluable national resource, man~, ~one of
these days, I'll move out of my mom's trailer's basement~, and ~pft, there's
only like a few thousand pixels diff, man~

In alt.games.video.xbox Paul Murray wrote:

Which was the whole point of the original article, that the majority of
people are using just such TV sets, and so won't see any big improvement
overupscaled DVD. It never said that there was no significant difference,
it said that the majority of people wouldn't be able to see one.

It always amuses me that when someone points out this fact, all the early
adopters feel as if their manhood is being challenged, so they retort with
things like "well, they must be stupid and blind then!"

*sigh*

I wish they'd realize that not everyone is going to buy a wall-sized
HDTV. On a smaller screen from 6-8' away (which is what most people are
going to have) you're going to be REALLY hard pressed to distinguish
between 720p and 1080p, to say nothing of upscaled DVD and Blu-Ray.

Most likely, Blu-Ray will be more like LaserDisk as opposed to becoming
the true next-generation video standard. By the time the vast majority of
the market has switched over to HDTV, making it remotely feasible to drop
DVD altogether, chances are we'll be hearing about some newer format (no,
not downloads!) which will cause the mass market to leap-frog Blu-Ray.

Like LD, the mainstream's decision to ignore the format doesn't mean
they're stupid or blind, nor does it make any of the high-end early
adopters any less of a man.

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