HD-DVD is dead, dead, DEAD............let the party begin!!!

On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:57:57 GMT mini you wrote:

| Sony does the same thing, so does Electronic Arts, Exxon, Wal Mart, Intel,
| Nvidia, Google, Apple..so does any company. Get big and eat-kill
| competition. Sony has been pushing it's proprietary formats, DRM and
| rootkits for years now they finally got a winner with Beta Ray. For now
| anyway it won't last like DVD did tech is moving to fast these days.

And way too many people consider DVD to be "adequate" because the imrpovement
of HD over SD pales in comparison to the improvement of DVD over VHS (or even
Betamax had that been the winner). Lots of people don't have HD, and most of
those that do have "dimished HD" which is basically a screen with less than
1080 lines of resolution. So while HD will give them a better picture, it
will not be as much as going from 480 to 1080. Presumably movies on BR-DVD
will/are 1080. But not everyone that has HD will see it that way, and not
everyone even has HD. Having seen an LCD with SD resolution (e.g. 640x480)
with a digital tuner, it looks like at least one manufacturer thinks there
will be a sub-market for staying with SD while getting the advantages of
digital. The only reason I even bought an HD TV the other day (1440x900
native resolution) was to have a digital tuner in some form _and_ the need
right then for a temporary 2nd computer monitor (because I was building a
new computer at some distance from the nest of computers connected to my
one LCD monitor).

That and coming larger disc formats and Flash memory devices droppin in
price, and the BR-DVD, while being the winner, could very well be a dud.

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On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:57:57 GMT mini you
wrote:

| Sony does the same thing, so does Electronic Arts, Exxon, Wal Mart,
Intel,
| Nvidia, Google, Apple..so does any company. Get big and eat-kill
| competition. Sony has been pushing it's proprietary formats, DRM and
| rootkits for years now they finally got a winner with Beta Ray. For now
| anyway it won't last like DVD did tech is moving to fast these days.

And way too many people consider DVD to be "adequate" because the
imrpovement
of HD over SD pales in comparison to the improvement of DVD over VHS (or
even
Betamax had that been the winner). Lots of people don't have HD, and most
of
those that do have "dimished HD" which is basically a screen with less
than
1080 lines of resolution. So while HD will give them a better picture, it
will not be as much as going from 480 to 1080. Presumably movies on
BR-DVD
will/are 1080. But not everyone that has HD will see it that way, and not
everyone even has HD. Having seen an LCD with SD resolution (e.g.
640x480)
with a digital tuner, it looks like at least one manufacturer thinks there
will be a sub-market for staying with SD while getting the advantages of
digital. The only reason I even bought an HD TV the other day (1440x900
native resolution) was to have a digital tuner in some form _and_ the need
right then for a temporary 2nd computer monitor (because I was building a
new computer at some distance from the nest of computers connected to my
one LCD monitor).

That and coming larger disc formats and Flash memory devices droppin in
price, and the BR-DVD, while being the winner, could very well be a dud.

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below
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| first name lower case at ipal.net /
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And don't forget TVs and DVD players that upscale to HD resolutions.
Admittedly not real HD but so close that many could care less about BR or
HDDVD. (myself included

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All the Best,
Richard Harison

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in message
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In article ,
Peter A wrote:

Anyone who needs identity transference to "give purpose to getting out
of bed in the morning" gives whole new meaning to the phrase "get a
life."

....or to the phrase, "serial killer".


....YOU talkin' to ME? You talkin' to ME!!!
.....You Talkin' to MEEE!!!!

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 14:36:23 -0500 Richard Harison wrote:
| wrote in message
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| On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:57:57 GMT mini you
| wrote:
|
| | Sony does the same thing, so does Electronic Arts, Exxon, Wal Mart,
| Intel,
| | Nvidia, Google, Apple..so does any company. Get big and eat-kill
| | competition. Sony has been pushing it's proprietary formats, DRM and
| | rootkits for years now they finally got a winner with Beta Ray. For now
| | anyway it won't last like DVD did tech is moving to fast these days.
|
| And way too many people consider DVD to be "adequate" because the
| imrpovement
| of HD over SD pales in comparison to the improvement of DVD over VHS (or
| even
| Betamax had that been the winner). Lots of people don't have HD, and most
| of
| those that do have "dimished HD" which is basically a screen with less
| than
| 1080 lines of resolution. So while HD will give them a better picture, it
| will not be as much as going from 480 to 1080. Presumably movies on
| BR-DVD
| will/are 1080. But not everyone that has HD will see it that way, and not
| everyone even has HD. Having seen an LCD with SD resolution (e.g.
| 640x480)
| with a digital tuner, it looks like at least one manufacturer thinks there
| will be a sub-market for staying with SD while getting the advantages of
| digital. The only reason I even bought an HD TV the other day (1440x900
| native resolution) was to have a digital tuner in some form _and_ the need
| right then for a temporary 2nd computer monitor (because I was building a
| new computer at some distance from the nest of computers connected to my
| one LCD monitor).
|
| That and coming larger disc formats and Flash memory devices droppin in
| price, and the BR-DVD, while being the winner, could very well be a dud.
|
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| | Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below
| |
| | first name lower case at ipal.net /
| |
| |------------------------------------/-------------------------------------|
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|
| And don't forget TVs and DVD players that upscale to HD resolutions.
| Admittedly not real HD but so close that many could care less about BR or
| HDDVD. (myself included

That, too. I have no current plans or even expectations to get a BR-DVD
player. I may get a BR-DVD drive for my computer. Maybe. But so far
dual-layer DVD (8+ GB) are doing well for what _little_ remaining need I
have for DVD (get a whole Linux system running with everything on it).
I find my USB key and CF card work just as well and I don't have to waste
media to make changes. About the only need I see for big-DVD is making
backups that can go offsite easily (tape is too costly, now). I am even
considering rotating a set of 3 or 4 1TB USB hard drives for that. And
some of that may be doable over the net, anyway. I can already backup my
servers back to my home over cable with some smart rsync steps to keep
the bandwidth under control.

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| Phil Howard KA9WGN (ka9wgn.ham.org) / Do not send to the address below |
| first name lower case at ipal.net / |
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On Feb 2, 4:32*pm, "mini you" wrote:
By the time Beta Ray is affordable to copy and author your own it will be
replaced by Flash memory or something. It will also be on profile 4.0 or
something with even more DRM.
That was the whole point with HD-DVD, it was consumer-copy friendly, within
reason, Not DRM soaked to the bone. That is the only reason Fox did not go
HD-DVD other than the money.
51GB HD-DVD disks are approved and finalized and on the way hopefully anf
being that it's HD-DVD you know they will work off that bat.
I know people that copy Blu Ray and HD-DVD movies to hard drives or stream
them to their Media boxes, Xbox 360's-PS3 from their PC's. I have not taken
the time to learn it yet.

Agreed optical as a format is unreliable and on the way out. A few more
years I give it then we'll be using Nintendo DS/size ROM Flash memory with
100+ GB storage or some sort of solid state drives.

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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:05:01 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty
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| In article ,
| "HD-DVD Suxx" HurrayforBlu-Ray.com wrote:
|
| 'Nuf said....
|
| ;-)
|
| I'm curious as to why people take such vehement stands on this--as if
| it's a political debate or something.
|
| Why does someone violently insist on one side or the other?

Why is there an assumption that the OP was taking one particular stand?
Because of that forged domain (that isn't even registered? *Maybe it is
the case that had BR-DVD died and HD-DVD took over, that he'd have done
the reverse and faked a different domain and still partied. *Maybe the
party is more about (the perception of) the format war being over.

I can tell you why I preferred BluRay. *It is simply capacity. *In part
it was capacity for computer usage. *But it was also for video. *Either
I could get 66% more video time at the same compression, or the video
would not have to be compressed as much (use a higher bit rate per frame
and have fewer B/P frames). *A lot of what I buy on DVD is old TV shows.
A box set for one year/season is 5 DVDs for hour long episodes. *While
these might never come out in high definition, some later TV series some
day might. *Or maybe technology can clean up original films and get more
definition from them than SD ever could. *At there been a battle between
the original DVD and one that had 66% more capacity, I see it as the
difference between 5 DVDs in the set box and 3 DVDs. *Actually I'm hoping
that when BluRay becomes widespread and cheap everywhere, they will put
the entire season on one disc. *BluRay can do that since it is about 5
times the capacity of SD-DVD.

But some of my preference for BluRay has also been muted. *I'm shifting
more towards flash memory for a lot of computer purposes. *It has been
more reliable than optical disks, and is a lot more convenient. *It still
has a huge cost issue. *It has its own "format war" but capacity is not
a component in that. *That, and I have learned the licensing terms for
BluRay are more difficult, and require more intrusive DRM and such, even
for content the owner has no intent to apply any such restrictions to.

As the internet speeds increase (and especially if the USA reverses its
backwards business models for telecommunications services and brings its
own broadband connectivity quality up to the levels many other countries
now have) more people will get their content that way instead of on a
disc medium. *They will then store that content on hard drive or flash
media. *The optical disk, being limited in capacity in any given standard,
wil be more and more inconvenient. *When it is no longer profitable to
distribute content on optical discs (whether sold or rented), then that
media will die, despite some people still willing to record their own on
it. *I still put a DVD player/recorder in my newest computer (I build my
own). *But it has a flash card reader/writer, as well as front panel USB
ports. *But I certainly thought about the day in the not too distant
future where I will decline to put in a CD/DVD drive, like I do now for
floppies.

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Frankly I dont see memory chips as being a good media at all. Because
inserting them requires an electrical connection. Disks on the other
hand can be handled in juke box changer type devices and are cheaper
to manufacture aluminum and plastic, vs gold contacts. I like to get
all my DVD media into my 400 disk changer and hope HD changers are
around the corner. There is more likelyhood of format wars over flash
electrical connections than there would ever be over physical disks
with same basic shapes, which are proven in dual players today. And
flash memory is so much slower than optical read rates.

Personally I am glad there are 2 formats for HD and hope both survive
and the disks are eventually playable in all CD readers. Or some
studio starts to realize that a disk has 2 sides and burns both
formats on each.

"Peter A" wrote in message
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In article , jfha1
@earthlink.net says...

What a party pooper. Didn't you ever play with little plastic army men
when
a kid? Identity transference is 'fun', that's all. Nothing so serious
as
you make it...but can give purpose to getting out of bed in the morning.


Anyone who needs identity transference to "give purpose to getting out
of bed in the morning" gives whole new meaning to the phrase "get a
life." The sports wieners are the most common, but at least they are
transferring to an entity that consists of really people. Getting all
fired up about this or that DVD format screams "loser" at 130 decibels.

Anyway, you can buy a dual format player and stop caring about who uses
HD-DVD or Blu-ray.


--
Peter Aitken

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fanboi=loser.

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fanboi=loser.

Agreed and obviously.

On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:16:10 -0500, HD-DVD Suxx wrote:

'Nuf said....

;-)

Couldn't prove it by the number of ads for HD-DVD I saw today in the
Sunday paper ads from places like Best Buy, Circuit City and others..
More than for Blu-ray.



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Wes Newell wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:16:10 -0500, HD-DVD Suxx wrote:

'Nuf said....

;-)

Couldn't prove it by the number of ads for HD-DVD I saw today in the
Sunday paper ads from places like Best Buy, Circuit City and others..
More than for Blu-ray.



That is right. Just like when any product is about to go away. They try
to sell as many as they can so they don't have to eat the cost.

Marlin Singer wrote:
Wes Newell wrote:
On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:16:10 -0500, HD-DVD Suxx wrote:

'Nuf said....

;-)

Couldn't prove it by the number of ads for HD-DVD I saw today in the
Sunday paper ads from places like Best Buy, Circuit City and others..
More than for Blu-ray.



That is right. Just like when any product is about to go away. They try
to sell as many as they can so they don't have to eat the cost.
"Beginning in early March, retailer Best Buy will begin officially
recommending Blu-ray as best choice for high definition movies to their
customer base. Since the beginning of the format war, Best Buy has
silently stood on the sidelines providing both the Blu-ray and HD DVD
format for consumers to choose. Current sales data now shows that
Blu-ray is their choice, and the retailer will soon carry the official
stance that Blu-ray is best high definition format.

Brian Dunn, Best Buy's president and chief operating officer commented,
"Consumers have told us that they want us to help lead the way. We've
listened to our customers, and we are responding. Best Buy will
recommend Blu-ray as the preferred format. Our decision to shine a
spotlight on Blu-ray Disc players and other Blu-ray products is a strong
signal to our customers that we believe Blu-ray is the right format
choice for them.

Best Buy will continue to stock a reduced amount of HD DVD players and
movies, but the reduction in stock combined with the unified voice to
support Blu-ray brings up questions as to how long those stocks will
continued to be resupplied."