Ofcom's HDTV plans "jeopardise" Freeview

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitalt...-freeview.html

"Adrian" wrote in message
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The MPEG2 DTT system should be given a cut off date and replaced with a DTT
HDD system thereafter. It's only a matter of swamping out set top boxes, and
candidly the present DTT bit rate is **** poor on screens larger than 32
inches.

Bugger the old people: They smell and they drive slowly and they don't (all)
know how to do computers.

(Please note: I am being flippant here... partly.)

Adrian wrote:
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Find the full DTG response to Ofcoms proposals at
http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?...lass=0&id=2913

"Light of Aria" wrote in message
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"Adrian" wrote in message
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The MPEG2 DTT system should be given a cut off date and replaced with a
DTT HDD system thereafter. It's only a matter of swamping out set top
boxes, and candidly the present DTT bit rate is **** poor on screens
larger than 32 inches.

Bugger the old people: They smell and they drive slowly and they don't
(all) know how to do computers.

(Please note: I am being flippant here... partly.)

I may get flamed here but I bet I'm not alone on this. I strongly believe
that if/when that HD day comes we will sure enough find ourselves in the
same situation as now. The networks will just lower the bit rates and
squeeze more and more HD channels in until they are not much better quality
value than the Freeview service we have now. Personally in our house we use
a dedicated HTPC with dual DVB-T tuners and the PQ is great. Depends on your
graphic drivers etc etc but on its day the Freeview PQ can be very good. I'd
love to see just how good it can be and leave the HD stuff to Cable &
Satellite. The Government has sold us this switch off vision on the basis we
get 40+ channels, interactive red button features etc. Having bought the
equipment I'm a bit peeved to be told that within a few years in order to
accommodate HD the number may be cut and that if you want the HD service
you'll have to buy more equipment. Is it just me or does anyone else
consider that a bit naughty. You know what'll happen once we all have HD?
there will be calls for another wonderful upgrade maybe 'SUPER HD' SHD for
short and off we go again. I know its the nature of the beast but surely we
need some consistency until at least a few years following analogue switch
off? As for those houses that can't have a satellite dish, well that's so
last century ;-)

"Light of Aria" wrote in message
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Bugger the old people

But think of the haemorrhoids. . .

Bill

"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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OTOH I want HD TV and don't want to pay some third party cable company
to provide it. I pay my licence still and if the beeb have HD channels
I want to be able to get them.

Yes, absolutely. There are still people who want to pay a TV licence and
watch decent programming. Such people are, I would have thought, likely to
be appreciative of the benefits of HD.

Bill

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Kay Robinson wrote:


I certainly hope you are I don't smell, drive fast and have been
online for nearly thirty years.

what do you mean by online? The internet has only been with us for about 17
years. If you mean "used a computer", then 30 yeas is certainly possible.
I first used on in 1961 - at University.

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From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey"

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11

charles wrote:

Kay Robinson wrote:

I certainly hope you are I don't smell, drive fast and have been
online for nearly thirty years.

what do you mean by online? The internet has only been with us for
about 17 years. If you mean "used a computer", then 30 yeas is
certainly possible. I first used on in 1961 - at University.

According to Hobbes' Internet Timeline
(http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/):

"1973
First international connections to the ARPANET:
University College of London (England) via NORSAR (Norway)"

Even without an always-on network connection, "being online" was
possible by calling to dial-up BBSes with a modem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletin_board_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBS:_The_Documentary

The first such systems were established in the 1970s as well.

Stand-alone dial-up systems, in turn, could be networked to each other
by batch-transferring messages from one system to the other via modem
calls. A popular international messaging system based on this principle
was FidoNet...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet

....and another one, of course, the very system you're using now: Usenet
(via UUCP dial-up connections in the early days):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

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znark

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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OTOH I want HD TV and don't want to pay some third party cable company
to provide it. I pay my licence still and if the beeb have HD channels
I want to be able to get them.

Yes, absolutely. There are still people who want to pay a TV licence and
watch decent programming. Such people are, I would have thought, likely to
be appreciative of the benefits of HD.

Bill
I agree Bill but at what cost? I too pay my TV license and think the BBC are
2nd to none when it comes to good quality productions. I just don't want to
feel that I have to keep purchasing new equipment or feel I'm not getting my
moneys worth. I just think we need a bit of stability. I've got access to HD
via satellite and even though I agree its good I still can't help thinking
we're all being swept along by clever marketing and advertising rather than
the quality of service we may ultimately end up with. I don't feel that by
putting off HD services on Freeview we are necessarily loosing out. Get rid
of the crap channels (you know the ones), improve the quality of those
remaining and we may have a very good Freeview. Save a few quid as well.
When the Planet Earth series was on it looked absolutely great on our TV.
Apparently it looked even better on HD. Where does it all stop? Can you see
my point regarding SUPER HD? There are so many different standards, formats
etc it makes you just want to scream out STOP. I've always been an early
adopter and as such have been left feeling totally beta tested and ripped
off. Maybe its the Victor Meldrew in me. Anyway said my bit now and thats
what I love about forums & newsgroups. Peace love and I'll go now :-)

Mr & Mrs L wrote:

Where does it all stop? Can you see my point regarding SUPER HD?

It's already in the works:

http://amp.ece.cmu.edu/packetvideo2002/papers/56-enlglgonak.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_High_Definition_Video

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znark