To Bin... or Not To Bin

Marky P wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:37:12 GMT, "Stephen Wilson"
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In article , Andy Burns wrote:
On 28/01/2008 08:25, Paul Heslop wrote:

My dvd recorder does not tune into my sky+ or my old sky box.

Why do people keep referring to "tuning" via scart leads?

For the same reason they refer to "filming" things with video
cameras.

My son's dog hoovers up food, yet she is not a vacuum cleaner.

There's another one! Hoover. A brand name. The device is a vacuum
cleaner.

And of course the new one's are I-Pod (any MP3 player) or Tom Tom (any
sat nav). I remember Walkman being used for any personal tape player.

Marky P.

Before email we wrote letters with a biro.

Peter J Ross wrote:

In rec.arts.drwho on Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:25:59 GMT, Paul Heslop
wrote:

Then we moved from yorkshire to the north east

Yorkshire's *in* the north east! Otherwise it would be called
Lincolnshire or Lancashire. :-)

Isn't crossposting fun? You meet all your old Usenet friends
in unexpected places eventually.

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PJR :-)

Hi Peter, didn't even spot this due to all the xposting going on :O))

I meant Tyne & Wear of course

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Roderick Stewart wrote:

In article , Peter J Ross wrote:
Then we moved from yorkshire to the north east

Yorkshire's *in* the north east! Otherwise it would be called
Lincolnshire or Lancashire. :-)

I've heard Geordies refer to the inhabitants of Stockton and
Middlesbrough as "southerners", so I guess it must be relative.

And then there are the Londoners. Some of them seem to think you have
to watch out for dragons if you venture outside the M25, and somewhere
north of Watford you fall off the edge of the world....

Rod.

I once saw someone on Millionaire who was asked to name the
northernmost city out of four. He had a problem once he got north of
his hometown and rang his Dad, who didn't know either!

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"Marky P" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:21:19 -0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

In article , Peter J Ross wrote:
Then we moved from yorkshire to the north east

Yorkshire's *in* the north east! Otherwise it would be called
Lincolnshire or Lancashire. :-)

I've heard Geordies refer to the inhabitants of Stockton and
Middlesbrough as "southerners", so I guess it must be relative.

And then there are the Londoners. Some of them seem to think you have
to watch out for dragons if you venture outside the M25, and somewhere
north of Watford you fall off the edge of the world....

Rod.
I live in a proper area. Manchester is in the north, London in the
south, Norwich in the east & Birmingham in the Midlands.


..... and where a Gourmet meal is a plate of carrots.
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JohnT

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:05:40 -0000, "NormanCastle"
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I've heard Geordies refer to the inhabitants of Stockton and
Middlesbrough as "southerners", so I guess it must be relative.

I quite believe that. Some of *them* think the the East End and Hendon
are
parts of London!!!

There are people who think Luton's part of London!



Please look at http://www.london-luton.co.uk/en/ If the denizens of Luton
claim to have a London Airport who am I to disagree with them?
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JohnT

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Marky P wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:05:40 -0000, "NormanCastle"
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"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
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I've heard Geordies refer to the inhabitants of Stockton and
Middlesbrough as "southerners", so I guess it must be relative.

I quite believe that. Some of *them* think the the East End and Hendon
are parts of London!!!

There are people who think Luton's part of London!

and, as Flanders & Swann said, "lump all the London boroughs together and
call them 'Brighton'.

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Marky P news.giganews.com wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:36:12 +0000 (UTC),
(The Doctor) wrote:

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JohnT wrote:
"The Doctor" wrote in message
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NormanCastle wrote:

"The Doctor" wrote in message
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So what do you consider Midlands?
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Leeds.



And anywhere else?


Durham is geographically in the Midlands but some of us North-Easterners are
prepared to regard it as in the North. Certainly Darlington is in the
Midlands which goes down about as far as York. Places such as Manchester are
definitely in the South. There are signs on the A1(M) cofirming all of this.
As you travel south from Washington Services the direction boards say (top
line) DURHAM lower line THE SOUTH.
--

JohnT


I travel the A1 from London to Edinburgh banking in Berwick overnight.

Was that a spelling mistake ;-)

Marky P.


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the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


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In article ,
Marky P news.giganews.com wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:36:12 +0000 (UTC),
(The Doctor) wrote:

In article ,
JohnT wrote:
"The Doctor" wrote in message
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In article ,
NormanCastle wrote:

"The Doctor" wrote in message
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So what do you consider Midlands?
--

Leeds.



And anywhere else?


Durham is geographically in the Midlands but some of us
North-Easterners are
prepared to regard it as in the North. Certainly Darlington is in the
Midlands which goes down about as far as York. Places such as
Manchester are
definitely in the South. There are signs on the A1(M) cofirming all of
this.
As you travel south from Washington Services the direction boards say
(top
line) DURHAM lower line THE SOUTH.
--

JohnT


I travel the A1 from London to Edinburgh banking in Berwick overnight.

Was that a spelling mistake ;-)

Marky P.


Not at all .
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Member - Liberal International
This is Ici
God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Alberta! Time for a change and beware Alliance in PC clothing. Vote
Liberal!

On 30 Jan, 18:29, "Stephen Wilson"
wrote:
"Vic" wrote in message

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"Stephen Wilson" I'll check it next time I visit my friend. This part of
the thread
essentially began because I said "A friend of mine has just bought a
Combo VHS/DVD recorder. Built-in digital tuner as well so it's compatible
with Freeview, Sky and Virgin. Makes it easy to record onto video or
DVD..."

Aggie's response was "So you are claiming it can pick up Satellite, Cable
and Freeview. How?" This oviously is not the case, and I said as much:
The recorder "can then record the digital channel of your choice without
having to change any settings on the receiver itself, thus enabling you
to record one digital channel whilst watching another." Which I thought
was pretty clear. But Aggie came back with "Without out changing any of
the settings? So it can change channels on the receiver of your choice
all by itself? How?"

And it's sort of degenerated from there.

You are totally wrong in all you have said assuming you are talking about
the Virgin V+ box! It has 2 scart connectors - the first goes to the TV
and the second is purely for backing up recordings you have made on the
hard drive of the V+ box. No EPG goes down the second scart so it does not
appear on backed up recordings. The V+ has 3 tuners, not 2. You can record
2 different programs while watching a 3rd or something pre-recorded. Your
friends DVD recorder cannot control the V+ box in any way. There is no
facility to do this as there is no possible requirement for such a thing
as the V+ has all the recording needs sorted! Can we now get back to
reality..........
If you still think you are right then put up or shut up!!!!!!!!!!!

The V+ has all recording needs sorted. As long as you don't want to make a
permanent copy onto DVD. Hence the need for an output to some kind of
external recording device. In fact, whether watching or recording a
programme, using one or more tuners, all the info is written to the
hard-drive before output of any kind.

Yes. We get that bit. When I say we, I mean that most of the people
who post here regularly are familiar with the concept of PVRs and how
the function. That is not the original question.

Perhaps you should informhttp://www.radioandtelly.co.uk/cabletv.htmlwho
also seem to be totally wrong in your eyes:
"Q. Will the V+ box will allow me to record to it, and to record to my DVD
recorder at the same time ?

A. Yes, this is possible. If you connect the output of the V+ box to the
input of a DVD recorder, then the output of the V+ box can be recorded.
We've also been told by one of our forum regulars, MrHappy, that the V+
box has a handy extra feature. The V+ box has two SCART sockets - you can
record onto DVD using SCART 2 while watching a different programme via a TV
connected to SCART 1"

Noone saying anything of the sort. What they are saying is that your
DVD recorder CANNOT control the tuner of your V+ box.

But at the end of the day, regardless of what you think I've got right or
wrong, the DVD recorder records the output from one of the Virgin scart
sockets.

OK got that bit. Most people here will operate their setups in exactly
the same way.

And it does so by operating the DVD remote only.

This is where it gets a bit tricky.

I know this because I've done it. I know this because my friend does it.

OK, so you think.

The DVD recorder has an electronic programme guide feature. This is accessed by
pressing the appropriate button on the recorder's remote. Not the Virgin
remote. As it does not have Freeview built in, how would you suggest it
manages to access the EPG?

I thought you said it had freeview builtin? Make your mind up
You said "Built-in digital tuner as well so it's compatible with
Freeview, Sky and Virgin."
What is a digital tuner?

Here's a comment from someone who connected what sounds like a similar
recorder (the Philips HDRW720) to their sky box: "I bought it and very easy
install through autoinstall and correct all channels and then Guide TVlink
setup by itself in few hours as I got all channels include Sky Digital -
very easy and very to use it."

http://www.virginmediainfo.co.uk/vplusbox.shtml:

"The other weird thing is this ability to record two programmes at the
same time. I was going to try and not mention the fact that I have a Tivo
but in this instance I have to. Although you can watch something already
recorded while the Tivo is recording something else for you, it can only
record one thing at once. So it came as a bit of a shock when I went back
into "Recorded Programmes" to find a couple of shows in there where, had I
been using my Tivo, there would only have been the one!"

More info about the V+ box which is irrelevant. We knoe it can do this
and it has no bearing on what you initially said about your DVD
recorder. "Built-in digital tuner as well so it's compatible with
Freeview, Sky and Virgin."

Tell us what the DVD recorder is. That's the simplest thing.

Doc

"Stephen Wilson" wrote in message
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"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
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Stephen Wilson wrote:

Incorrect. There is a single lead connecting the Virgin box to the DVD
recorder - a scart lead. I'm selecting the channel I want to watch on
the
Virgin box. I'm selecting the channel I want to record on the DVD
recorder.

I don't think I've ever heard of a tuner signal being carried by
scart.

so what model recorder was this again?

I'm not sure - it's not mine, but a friend's which I installed. I tried
plugging in the aerial but the recorder failed to find any channels when
it did an autoscan. So then I plugged the Virgin V+ box in to the recorder
via the scart lead, rescanned, and the recorder detected all the digital
channels available via the Virgin STB.




Just bought a DVD recorder myself - and have a Virgin STB - and that's
exactly what I did. Easy-peasy...