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"Stephen Wilson" wrote in message
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"Agamemnon" wrote in message
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"Agamemnon" wrote in message
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A friend of mine has just bought a Combo VHS/DVD recorder. Built-in
digital tuner as well so it's compatible with Freeview, Sky and
Virgin. Makes it

So you are claiming it can pick up Satellite, Cable and Freeview. How?

I said it is compatible. Maybe this is another word you don't understand
the meaning of. The recorder has a digital tuner. So you plug the
receiver of

What does having a digital tuner have to do with it being compatible with
Freeview, Sky and Virgin? NOTHING!

More Aggy ignorance!

If you have a Freeview box connected to a recorder with an analogue tuner,
how do you think you are going to watch one Freeview channel whilst
recording another?

Look at the IGNORANT talking about things he knows nothing about. How is a
video recorder with a digital tuner which picks up Freeview going to enable
you to watch another channel on Sky or Virgin. Just because it's got a
digital tuner doesn't mean it will give you cable or satellite capability if
all the tuner picks up is Freeview.



your choice into the recorder using a scart lead. It can then record the
digital channel of your choice without having to change any settings on
the receiver itself, thus enabling you to record one digital channel
whilst watching another.

Without out changing any of the settings? So it can change channels on
the receiver of your choice all by itself? How?

No it doesn't. In the same way that a recorder with an analogue tuner will
let you record any terrestrial channel without you having to change
channels on your TV set, a recorder with a digital tuner lets you record
any channel from your receiver without having to change the channel that
it outputs to your TV.

You are talking COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSE!

A Freeview tuner will NOT let you watch Sky or Virgin let alone decode them.
You need a satellite tuner and a dish to watch Sky and a Videocrypt decoder
to decode the scrambled channels or a Virgin tuner to watch cable with a
built in decoder to decode the scrambled channels. All three digital
platforms a completely incompatible with each other in terms of tuning into
and descrambling the channels therefore a single digital tuner on your video
recorder will not let give you a choice of picking up either Freeview, Sky
or Virgin.



Also makes it incredibly easy to record a programme, because the channel
guide and programme schedule are available on the recorder. So all you
have to do is select the programme you want to record direct from the
guide.

Oh so the Sky EPG is available on the recorder, or is it the Virgin EPG
or the Freeview one, all because it has a digital tuner? Will it work
with my dads satellite motorised satellite dish too so it can point it at
the right satellite the channels are on, like HellasSat 2?

There is no such piece of equipment on the market. The best you can do is
use the STB to control the recorder but the recorder will not control the
STB of your choice just because it has a digital tuner. Does it have
SmartLink/Q-Link or something similar built in?


Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on the
market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or Virgin or
HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again, I'm
afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Agamemnon wrote:

Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on the
market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or Virgin or
HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again, I'm
afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Am I right in thinking the OP assumes a digital tuner will allow him
to receive SKY and cable? I don't think there's a machine on the
market capable of this. I guess that's another thing that isn't made
clear for some people, that it's a digital terrestrial tuner. Of
course some people might have seen sky users mention recording to
their DVD machines but that's done through an AV socket from a real
SKY box.

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Paul Heslop wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:

Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on
the market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or
Virgin or HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again,
I'm afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Am I right in thinking the OP assumes a digital tuner will allow him
to receive SKY and cable?

No. That's what Aggie understood but, as we all know, Aggie has
problems with the English language. The OP said that the digital
tuner *is compatible* with Sky and cable, meaning that if you
have the equipment to recieve the signals from those sources
you can use the DVD recorder to record them.

I don't think there's a machine on the
market capable of this. I guess that's another thing that isn't made
clear for some people, that it's a digital terrestrial tuner. Of
course some people might have seen sky users mention recording to
their DVD machines but that's done through an AV socket from a real
SKY box.

Which is what Stephen was talking about.

Diane L.

On 27 Jan, 01:43, "Agamemnon" wrote:
A Freeview tuner will NOT let you watch Sky or Virgin let alone decode them.

That depends if you want to watch Virgin 1, Sky 3 or Sky sports news
doesn't it.

B2003

On 27/01/2008 11:10, Diane L. wrote:

The OP said that the digital
tuner *is compatible* with Sky and cable, meaning that if you
have the equipment to recieve the signals from those sources
you can use the DVD recorder to record them.

*IF* that's how you read the OP (there is some ambiguity) then OP is
wrong. The digital tuner is compatible with DVB-T. The combo-recorder
will only be able to record from DVB-S or DVB-C in conjunction with the
relevant STB, but the recorder's digital tuner is not involved in the
process, simply an analogue input.

"Agamemnon" wrote in message
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"Agamemnon" wrote in message
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A friend of mine has just bought a Combo VHS/DVD recorder. Built-in
digital tuner as well so it's compatible with Freeview, Sky and
Virgin. Makes it

So you are claiming it can pick up Satellite, Cable and Freeview. How?

I said it is compatible. Maybe this is another word you don't
understand the meaning of. The recorder has a digital tuner. So you
plug the receiver of

What does having a digital tuner have to do with it being compatible
with Freeview, Sky and Virgin? NOTHING!

More Aggy ignorance!

If you have a Freeview box connected to a recorder with an analogue
tuner, how do you think you are going to watch one Freeview channel
whilst recording another?

Look at the IGNORANT talking about things he knows nothing about. How is a
video recorder with a digital tuner which picks up Freeview going to
enable you to watch another channel on Sky or Virgin. Just because it's
got a digital tuner doesn't mean it will give you cable or satellite
capability if all the tuner picks up is Freeview.

Look Aggy, I know you're a self proclaimed expert on everything, but the
reality is that there's a gaping chasm between the things you know and the
things you *think* you know.

You have no understanding of the concept. I'm not going to be able to
explain these things to you because you simply lack the capacity to
comprehend. No matter how simply I try to explain, you continue to get it
wrong.

"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
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Agamemnon wrote:

Although having said that, there are a number of DVD recorders on the
market now that have Freeview built in.

So what? That doesn't make them capable of picking up Sky or Virgin or
HellasSat2 or Hotbird.

Aggy, the font of all knowledge, has spoken. Total ******** again, I'm
afraid...

You are talking out of your ARSE as usual.

Am I right in thinking the OP assumes a digital tuner will allow him
to receive SKY and cable?

No. I never said that. That's just Aggy confusing the issue. I said that a
digital tuner means that a recorder is compatible with Sky and cable. That
means that if you plug you Sky box or your cable box into the recorder, it
is capable of tuning into all the available channels independently of the
Syy/cable/Freeview box.

On 27/01/2008 12:21, Stephen Wilson wrote:

I said that a
digital tuner means that a recorder is compatible with Sky and cable.

Sorry, but it doesn't. The digital tuner will only decode freeview (or
more precisely DVB-T) however it *will* be able to record Sky or cable
via an analogue input if fed from a Sky or cable STB.

That
means that if you plug you Sky box or your cable box into the recorder, it
is capable of tuning into all the available channels independently of the
Syy/cable/Freeview box.

Wrong!

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 27/01/2008 11:10, Diane L. wrote:

The OP said that the digital
tuner *is compatible* with Sky and cable, meaning that if you
have the equipment to recieve the signals from those sources
you can use the DVD recorder to record them.

*IF* that's how you read the OP (there is some ambiguity) then OP is
wrong. The digital tuner is compatible with DVB-T. The combo-recorder will
only be able to record from DVB-S or DVB-C in conjunction with the
relevant STB, but the recorder's digital tuner is not involved in the
process, simply an analogue input.

Aggy, as usual, has confused the issue. He's also cross-posted this thread
at a point where he's cut any context that shows what I was trying
(unsuccessfully) to explain to him. Here is an earlier part of the thread:

Me: A friend of mine has just bought a Combo VHS/DVD recorder. Built-in
digital tuner as well so it's compatible with Freeview, Sky and Virgin.
Makes it easy to record onto video or DVD...

Aggy: So you are claiming it can pick up Satellite, Cable and Freeview. How?

Me: I said it is compatible. Maybe this is another word you don't understand
the meaning of. The recorder has a digital tuner. So you plug the receiver
of
your choice into the recorder using a scart lead. It can then record the
digital channel of your choice without having to change any settings on the
receiver itself, thus enabling you to record one digital channel whilst
watching another. Also makes it incredibly easy to record a programme,
because the channel guide and programme schedule are available on the
recorder. So all you have to do is select the programme you want to record
direct from the guide.

Stephen Wilson wrote:

Me: A friend of mine has just bought a Combo VHS/DVD recorder. Built-in
digital tuner as well so it's compatible with Freeview, Sky and Virgin.
Makes it easy to record onto video or DVD...

Aggy: So you are claiming it can pick up Satellite, Cable and Freeview. How?

Me: I said it is compatible. Maybe this is another word you don't understand
the meaning of. The recorder has a digital tuner. So you plug the receiver
of
your choice into the recorder using a scart lead. It can then record the
digital channel of your choice without having to change any settings on the
receiver itself, thus enabling you to record one digital channel whilst
watching another. Also makes it incredibly easy to record a programme,
because the channel guide and programme schedule are available on the
recorder. So all you have to do is select the programme you want to record
direct from the guide.

It has a digital tuner, this will only be able to receive DVB-T transmissions
(aka DTT, aka (in the UK, Freeview)).

If it has a Scart input you can indeed record satellite, cable, or anything
else that outputs a CCIR 625/50 standard baseband video signal. The in built
digital tuner does nothing to enable that functionality however.

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Mark
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