Con senting pe do philia is *OK

If you have engaged in consensual sexual conduct with a minor and
have
not used force, intimidation, deception, or drugs, then
you are innocent of wrongdoing.

The pe do philia scare is a fake. It is not harmful. That is why they
refuse to allow anyone to discuss the issue openly. It would reveal
that there is much evidence that it is harmless and can be
beneficial.


check out these sources:


Anthropologist Gilbert Herdt on the culture of the Sambia people.


The Rind Report written by two Temple University psychology
professors.


http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache...pce.info/libra...


The work of professor Harris Mirkin:
http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library..._rind_text.htm


"Harmful to Minors" by journalist Judith Levine


"Love Against Hate" by Karl Meninger, M.D.


Look at this site for new perspectives: Newgon.com


It is even mentioned as common practice in the comic opera Don
Giovanni by
Mozart.


The sex hysteria is being used as a pretext to distract the people
from the failings of the government and to make them fear the
government.


NGO's and DA's claim to speak for children, but
they never allow the children to speak for themselves?

On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:14:20 -0800, do the research wrote:

snip vile ****

nslookup 118.172.21.51
** server can't find 51.21.172.118.in-addr.arpa: NXDOMAIN

whois 118.172.21.51
Unknown AS number or IP network.

I'd like to know how a post was made through Google with an unused IP addy.

Mike Thomas wrote:
snip
He

http://samspade.org/whois/118.172.21.51

A peado in Bangkok, there's a surprise!

On 15/01/2008 18:32, Mike Thomas wrote:

nslookup 118.172.21.51
** server can't find 51.21.172.118.in-addr.arpa: NXDOMAIN

That just means it doesn't have rDNS

whois 118.172.21.51
Unknown AS number or IP network.

You need to look it up against the relevant regional registry, in this
case APNIC

inetnum: 118.172.21.0 - 118.172.21.255
netname: totnet
descr: TOT Public Company Limited Bangkok
country: th
tech-c: tk56-ap
admin-c: pa82-ap
status: assigned non-portable
mnt-by: maint-th-tot
changed: 20050922
changed: 20071025
source: APNIC

person: pansak arpakajorn
nic-hdl: PA82-AP
e-mail:
address: 89/2 Moo 3 Chaengwattana Rd, Laksi,Bangkok 10210 THAILAND
phone: +66-2574-9178
fax-no: +66-2574-8401
country: TH
changed: 20050720
changed: 20071107
mnt-by: MAINT-TH-TOT

person: tawat kerdput
nic-hdl: TK56-AP
e-mail:
address: 89/2 Moo 3 Chaengwattana Rd, Laksi, Bangkok 10210 THAILAND
phone: +66-2505-6117
fax-no: +66-2574-8401
country: TH
changed: 20050720
changed: 20071107
mnt-by: MAINT-TH-TOT

And this relates to the aims of the group in what way?

Brian

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It doesn't relate to the aims of this group. That guy doesn't know
whether he's coming or going.
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NATURAL FUNCTIONING IS NOT PAEDOPHILIA

A Standard Response to those who misunderstand

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While we're here, and on a certain subject, I may as well repeat what
I have been saying, emphasising on this occasion the distinction and
contrast between the current evil of paedophilia and my formula for
moving in the direction of restoring *natural functioning* to the
mother-infant relationship and to our societal arrangements
generally.

The following is a copy of a recent email I sent to a correspondent,
unedited except for name withheld:
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(Begin quote

As you know, I've written a number of articles in the past four years
in which I have offered my analysis of the human condition and the
long-term healing formula toward which that analysis points. I don't
know how much of it you have read, but it's there for anyone who
wants
to read it. As we have become so close, and as those writings are
very
much part of who I am, I would like to summarise them for you in an
informal way. This is partly prompted by the fact that a couple of
people have read one or two sentences of mine out of context, and
jumped to the conclusion that I am a paedophile. Nothing could be
further from the truth, but I'd like to give you a summary of what
I've been publishing, just in case anyone says anything about my
writings, so that you will know what I'm really conveying.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

As you have Christian beliefs, you know that the first book in the
bible speaks of an ancient civilisation known as the Garden of Eden.
This era corresponds to the "Golden Age" or Age of Saturn, a strong
historical echo in the collective human consciousness, evident on all
continents and not exclusive to Hebrew tradition. So the Garden of
Eden was real. And we lost it.

One of the most interesting statements at the beginning of the bible
is at Genesis 2 : 25 -

"And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed."

Nothing more is said along those lines in the biblical account. By my
analysis, there was more to it than nakedness and absence of toxic
shame. There was also no *ban on loving more than one* (although
there
were precautions against unwanted pregnancies). Also, children were
allowed to function naturally.... one thing that would have entailed,
for example, is that 'playing doctor' was not something to be done
furtively and in hiding, fearful of discovery. And, although you've
said you have difficulty with this - there was no incest taboo in the
Garden of Eden / Golden Age. Don't dwell too much on it, but bear
with
me.

I've always emphasised in the past four years that I do not advocate
just abolishing the incest taboo now and hoping for the best. We
cannot do that. We have forgotten what decency is in our relations
with one another. We don't know how to abolish the incest taboo
without exploiting one another. So it will have to wait. What I have
been advocating is a prolonged period of *education by consent* ,
aimed partly at recovering the memories of infancy, which we have all
forgotten, so that we will at last remember the authentic
perceptions,
experiences and needs of the Universal Infant. When we recover the
memories of infancy, we will become very wise, and we will know how
to
start moving back in the direction of the Garden of Eden. (Remember
the words of Jesus: "unless ye become as little children...." He was
referring to recovering the memories of infancy, becoming aware of
what actually happens to infants in a survivalist-mode civilisation
such as ours.)

That does not mean seeking to repeat ancient history. It refers to
our
psychological and emotional state: recovering our ancient state of
purity, decency and sanity of eleven thousand years ago.

....emmm.... I was intending to write a very long summary of my
entire
analysis for you..... but really that bit about the incest taboo is
the major 'stumbling block' and major source of misunderstanding of
my
writings.... So maybe I'll leave it at that. I just wanted to make
sure you know, (name withheld), that only two or three dim-witted,
superficial women have called me a paedophile on account of reading
only one or two paragraphs of my thesis and not wanting to read any
more and understand it all. Furthermore, as soon as I replied to them
to clarify my analysis, they always went silent.

I know you can see it, (name withheld), but I just wanted to clarify
it. Healing our tragic civilisation is what I am about. What I have
been advocating is a period of *re-education by consent* leading in
the direction of a future time when we will restore *natural
functioning* to our dealings with one other, including relationships
between adults and children and between children and other children.
The emphasis is on the word ALLOWING *natural functioning* .
Paedophilia is about IMPOSING an EXPLOITATIVE regime on children,
reducing children to nothing and nobody, to objects and slaves to
fulfil sick adults' fantasies. You are intelligent enough to see the
distinction I am making, (name withheld).

Having read my "Dirty Old Women," you can see how I was uniquely
motivated to write along these lines. No one else was going to spell
it out as boldly as I did. I've been 'shooting in the dark' mostly,
not knowing what effect I'm having on people's state of awareness, as
mostly people are too embarrassed to respond to my writings. That's
the way human progress works. Also, I fully understand that when the
time finally is right for my ideas to be accepted, someone else is
going to step forward and get the glory for it. They're welcome to
it.
My only interest is healing.

(End of quote.)

===========================================*
==============================

Explanatory statement re the Incest Taboo and the long-term healing
formula for our eventual reversion to Natural Functioning:

-------------------------------------------

Since the 1980s, I have exhibited two styles of writing, which I call
*formal mode* and *informal mode* . I am back in *formal mode* now.

For those who want to understand, my *informal mode* conveys a
certain
unspoken message, several messages in fact. Partly I've just stopped
caring, as there is not much use in caring about anything in a
civilisation where every mother is a child abuser and where nobody
wants to know about it. Another message conveyed by my *informal
mode*
is that there is no dignity in a civilisation where every mother is a
child abuser, and where we are denying that fundamental fact of our
lives, so therefore I do not try to be dignified and sometimes I go
out of my way to be undignified. This is an emphatic gesture of
protest from the Universal Infant, who is enraged by your denial of
what has been happening to every baby born into this civilisation
during the past eleven thousand years.

The question of *natural functioning* has already been spelled out
clearly in "I Still Miss Someone" and "Silence of the Damned" and
elsewhere. The logic is faultless and nobody has ever contradicted
any
of it (apart from Mr Leroy Ellenberger's clarification of the
Velikovsky Affair, which is non-essential to the correct analysis and
healing formula).

I've been reading a book called "Freedom Next Time" by John Pilger.
It's a terribly depressing tome. It echoes the similar despair of
Wilhelm Reich's "Listen, Little Man!" dated 1951. Both Reich and
Pilger express great admiration for the average man and woman in
their
brave struggles for 'freedom,' and then lament that despite all their
heroism and sacrifices, 'freedom' remains as elusive and as transient
as ever.

That is precisely why I stepped into the fray back in 2003 with a
different approach to achieving freedom, which I call *societal
healing* . The fight for 'freedom' in the past has always ignored the
Forbidden Subjects. We've been tinkering around with the surface of
the human condition, while ignoring its roots.

If you study the Vivisection Swindle, it supplies your best available
lesson in human psychology, which you will not learn in any
university. Our refusal to confront the Vivisection Swindle and to
put
a stop to it reveals collective humanity to be a severely traumatised
species, terrified of confronting the truth about ourselves. Our
collective trauma has its roots in a forgotten series of survivalist
emergencies, which were the starting point for the tragic
civilisation
you see around you. It's all there in the historical record, but it
is
not spelled out because it is so terrifying, and so you have to read
between the lines to see the series of catastrophes which effectively
drove us insane, all of us. You can see our collective insanity, our
collective mental illness, if you open your eyes to it. This is not
exaggeration, not hyperbole. It's a simple statement of fact. The
human species - all of us - are very severely mentally ill. We are in
amnesia, both tribally and individually. Crucially, we don't remember
our infancy, both the infancy of the tribe and the infancy of the
individual. Our various struggles for 'freedom' will always be doomed
to failure as long as we refuse to confront our double amnesia and to
recover the terrifying memories of both the infancy of our tribe and
the infancy of the person.

Here, I just want to say a little toward clarifying what I have
written about the survivalist-mode mother-infant relationship and
about the incest taboo. It's all there in "I Still Miss Someone" and
"Silence of the Damned" and elsewhere. Still, let's just have another
look at the difficult bits. Although you all know that what I have
written is valid and true, you are afraid to express support for it,
partly because I have said the incest taboo did not exist in the lost
Golden Age (Garden of Eden) and that eventual societal healing must
entail eventual abolition of the incest taboo. You are afraid that
will invite the charge of 'promoting child abuse,' and in fact that
charge has been made against me by two or three misguided and
superficial women, who then went silent when I replied to them and
clarified my position. There's nothing to be afraid of in speaking
the
truth about this. I've demonstrated that by giving my legal name,
telephone number and town of residence on these pages and elsewhere.
Let's just have another look, then.

We can begin with my observation that there is no incest taboo for
infants, because the mother-infant relationship is clearly a sexual
relationship. The images in "I Still Miss Someone" and the faultless
logic in "Silence of the Damned" show a sexual relationship between
every mother and her babies. As a non-penetrative sexual
relationship,
the mother-infant relationship has many similarities to lesbian
lovemaking, and is also similar to the delightful physical
interactions a woman can have with a man who has difficulty producing
erections, for example a prostate cancer patient. The mother-infant
relationship is intensely emotional and intensely pleasurable. Only a
total fool would end something so beautiful as the sexual
relationship
between mothers and babies. For the sake of discussion, if the mother
insists on ending it, there is a need for helping the growing child
to
come to terms with such a tragic and painful loss of intimacy,
including a full explanation of WHY the mother is treating her baby
so
cruelly, while claiming to love him. This never happens. There is no
caring, no compassion on the part of the mother. Only abrupt and
total
rejection of her baby under the cloak of the standard *avalanche of
toxic shame* which declares that the human body is defective and
shameful, with the implication that just to be human is to be
defective and shameful. Amnesia is the only refuge, and so we do not
remember our infancy in the present tragic civilisation.

Because the avalanche of toxic shame is so cruelly deceitful and
destructive to us all, we develop a sense of disgust for the early
sexual relationship with our mothers. As adults we say we would be
horrified at the thought of any sexual intimacy with our parents,
conveniently forgetting that we all engaged in an intense sexual
relationship with our mothers in the early months of our lives.

You can't have it both ways.

Whoever you are, you have had a sexual relationship with your mother
in the first few months of your life, and you and she enjoyed it
immensely. There is a lame joke about it that surfaces from time to
time:

"The best years of my life were spent in the arms of another man's
wife: - my mother."

So, until we recover the memories of that intense sexual relationship
with our mothers, and come to terms with it, we will never achieve
freedom, and John Pilger will be writing yet another lament on the
same theme in another thirty years from now. Pilger is so sincere and
caring in his role as 'investigative journalist' that logically I
should contact him and point out to him the missing parts of the
jigsaw, the Forbidden Subjects, which he cannot see. But no, I wont
contact him. He has a lot invested in his career. He has an adoring
'fan club.' He has 'friends in high places.' If he were to face up to
what I have faced up to, and to ask others to do the same, he would
lose his fan club in the short term. That is one of the major
barriers
to progress. Our civilisation has reached such a pitch of severity of
collective mental illness, that anyone who advocates genuine healing
will be shunned and feared by society in the short term.

I hope this helps a little bit toward clarifying what I am about.
There's not much use in continuing here. If you want to know the
truth, read "I Still Miss Someone" and "Silence of the Damned" and
similar. The logic is faultless. Nobody can refute it and nobody ever
tried to refute it except with name-calling, which indirectly
endorses
my thesis by showing the intellectual bankruptcy of the name-callers.

I said maybe a court case built around some false accusation against
this body of writing would be useful for publicising it. On
reflection, I don't know how that could happen. What charge could be
levelled against this analysis and healing formula? I don't know of
any. The local health service here in Yorkshire did imply - in a very
vague and indirect way - that I am promoting child abuse. I urged
them
to report me to the police - because, for example, if I ever become
aware of a writer who is promoting child abuse I will certainly
report
him to the police. But no, they just went silent and refuse to
retract
their vague but clearly libellous innuendoes, and never said any more
about it. So we can't have a court case to help publicise this
analysis and healing formula, because it is so obviously right.

The detailed legal prohibitions against incest, as supplied by The
Todal, make difficult reading for the Universal Infant. They are
necessary to protect people from abuse in today's very sick
civilisation. We don't know what decency is any more. We've been in
survivalist mode for too long. For most of us, love and exploitation
are synonymous. It could not be otherwise, because the survivalist-
mode mother-infant relationship is exploitation and abuse
masquerading
as 'love.'

The only way out of our madness is a prolonged period of *education
by
consent* , leading to a time in the distant future when the entire
population of the world will have recovered the memories of infancy,
both the infancy of the tribe and the infancy of the person. Then at
last we will make the collective decision worldwide to start behaving
with a bit of decency toward the next generation of human babies.

In places like England, the past forty years have seen various
liberation struggles. Women, the disabled, gays and so on, have
demanded and largely have obtained fair and equal treatment. I see
all
of that as a rehearsal for the ultimate liberation struggle - the
liberation of the Universal Infant.

Are babies not entitled to fairness and decency too?

Why do you not remember your infancy?

What did she do to you that is so terrible that you had to take
refuge
in amnesia?

In such questions, and in their answers - therein lies true healing,
therein lies true freedom and true liberation at last.

Pete / 16 January 2008 /
"I Still Miss Someone"
http://www.network54.com/Forum/57466...last-119328556...