Warner Goes Blu-Ray Exclusive, biggest payoff yet

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
In article ,
Tarkus wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
No, not specifically. I was literally just talking about all the
whiz-bang BD-Java coding that too many seem enamored with. All too many
blockbusters have required firmware upgrades to the standalones to load
them.
Now that there's more competition among studios, it would be to their
own detriment to continue such practice. Just another benefit of Warner
essentially ending the format war.

It would be and I would hope the studios see the light. But so far,
none of them ever have, on both sides.

For BD they kept making them more complex or adding a sound codec that
wasn't supported by any player.

For HDDVD, most studios didn't bother with TrueHD at all, even though
all of them have supported it from the beginning.

Lots of missteps here, imo.

All of which will be helped by more people buying into an HD format, now
that they (mostly) don't have to worry about it becoming obsolete
anytime soon. IOW, more consumers means more competition for those
consumers, which means catering to their needs becomes more important.

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
All of that said, if you want a Sony S300, I just happen to know where
there is a low-mileage one that could be bought for the right price.
Email me if interested.

Are you referring to your door-stop?

In article ,
"Mark Jones" wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
All of that said, if you want a Sony S300, I just happen to know where
there is a low-mileage one that could be bought for the right price.
Email me if interested.

Are you referring to your door-stop?

Yep, but it is a really good looking door-stop! G

Seriously, there is nothing wrong with it, it works just like a new one
out of the box. But I have a nice HT setup and wanted TrueHD NOW and
faster disk loading. Neither of which are going to happen to the S300.

Here's my HT setup :

JVC D-iLA 61" HDTV
Bunch of really good speakers, I won't mention brand 'cause others here
don't agree...

PS3
HDA2

My receivers (that's right, receivers!) are setup up as my
'procrastinators delight' as I was a bit slow on returning.

Yamaha RX-V661 as pre-processor to the HK AVR247 via 7.1 multi-channel
out, both the HDA2 and PS3 are hooked to this. Out to TV via HDMI switch

Harman-Kardon AVR247 receiver. Sat HD-DVR and Sony DVD changer hooked
to this as are the speakers.

So I get the full 7.1 LPCM and the ability to layer IIx over 5.1 LPCM
AND the wonderful HK sound.

In article ,
Tarkus wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
In article ,
Tarkus wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
No, not specifically. I was literally just talking about all the
whiz-bang BD-Java coding that too many seem enamored with. All too many
blockbusters have required firmware upgrades to the standalones to load
them.
Now that there's more competition among studios, it would be to their
own detriment to continue such practice. Just another benefit of Warner
essentially ending the format war.

It would be and I would hope the studios see the light. But so far,
none of them ever have, on both sides.

For BD they kept making them more complex or adding a sound codec that
wasn't supported by any player.

For HDDVD, most studios didn't bother with TrueHD at all, even though
all of them have supported it from the beginning.

Lots of missteps here, imo.

All of which will be helped by more people buying into an HD format, now
that they (mostly) don't have to worry about it becoming obsolete
anytime soon. IOW, more consumers means more competition for those
consumers, which means catering to their needs becomes more important.

But first they need to stabilize the spec and get one machine out there
that is cheap (sub-$200) but full-featured. We are a ways from that I
think.

Do I really need to say? wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:33:56 -0600, "Mark Jones"
wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
That price was before the big announcement. We'll see what happens.
But if HDDVD disappears, BD will not drop in price much if any this
year.

What is your opinion of the Sony BDP-S300 at $399.99 versus
the BDP-S500 at $699.99. These are the MSRP numbers from
a Sony insert in the newspaper.

The BDP-S500 is shown as supporting TrueHD and DTS-HD sound.
What about the availabilty of an amplifier that can actually handle
these two sound formats without costing more than the Blu-Ray
player.

You're not an engineer if you cannot understand how a high end 7
channel receiver/amplifier might cost more than an optical disc
playback device.

If it costs more than the $700 price tag of the BDP-S500,
I am simply not interested. I have already spent way too
much on audio and video equipment to want to buy
another receiver/amplifier that costs a fortune.

You didn't have to be an asshole with your response.

Mark Jones wrote:

Do I really need to say? wrote:

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:33:56 -0600, "Mark Jones" wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
That price was before the big announcement. We'll see what happens.
But if HDDVD disappears, BD will not drop in price much if any this
year.

What is your opinion of the Sony BDP-S300 at $399.99 versus
the BDP-S500 at $699.99. These are the MSRP numbers from
a Sony insert in the newspaper.

The BDP-S500 is shown as supporting TrueHD and DTS-HD sound.
What about the availabilty of an amplifier that can actually handle
these two sound formats without costing more than the Blu-Ray
player.

You're not an engineer if you cannot understand how a high end 7
channel receiver/amplifier might cost more than an optical disc
playback device.

If it costs more than the $700 price tag of the BDP-S500,
I am simply not interested. I have already spent way too
much on audio and video equipment to want to buy
another receiver/amplifier that costs a fortune.

You didn't have to be an asshole with your response.


assuming you've not bought into BD yet,
imo at a minimum you should be asking
yourself why Warner ditched HD-DVD

i mean, it was clear to me that Toshiba
had done a better job in 2007, and had
seen a nice/strong recovery. their
standalone players are not as clunky
as the BD players, and more important
they cost a lost less

Warner's public announcement of why
they did it was pure political b.s.

my own one guess is that they/Warner
saw that Toshiba might actually win
out over BD

so they went the other way

why?

i mean, the main way to win the
war is low prices

Beta had superior video, but
VHS won (price being a key factor)

Toshiba was doing lower prices for
the standalone players

so why?

my one guess is copy protection

BD has better copy protection
than HD-DVD does

both the video biz and the audio biz
have repeatedly shown that they will
cut off their noses to spite their faces,
as long as they get higher profits in the
early stages of a new technology

HD-DVD has less copy protection than
BD does and will likely be cracked
sooner than BD will

i mean, that's the key driver with
all this digital stuff

CD audio disks can now be ripped,
even with everyday mainstream s/w

DVD movie disks can now be ripped,
but you have to get the s/w off
the web coz mainstream s/w still
does not offer that option

bill

Mark Jones wrote:
Do I really need to say? wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:33:56 -0600, "Mark Jones"
wrote:

Lloyd Parsons wrote:
That price was before the big announcement. We'll see what happens.
But if HDDVD disappears, BD will not drop in price much if any this
year.
What is your opinion of the Sony BDP-S300 at $399.99 versus
the BDP-S500 at $699.99. These are the MSRP numbers from
a Sony insert in the newspaper.

The BDP-S500 is shown as supporting TrueHD and DTS-HD sound.
What about the availabilty of an amplifier that can actually handle
these two sound formats without costing more than the Blu-Ray
player.

You're not an engineer if you cannot understand how a high end 7
channel receiver/amplifier might cost more than an optical disc
playback device.

If it costs more than the $700 price tag of the BDP-S500,
I am simply not interested. I have already spent way too
much on audio and video equipment to want to buy
another receiver/amplifier that costs a fortune.

You didn't have to be an asshole with your response.

You must be new here. Yes, he did. That's what he does.

I also beleive this was a major reason as well and think it overrides
cheaper production and better interactivity and cheaper players, etc..

BD protecton is harder to break for now and the fact they are loading up
these disc with large size 35-45gig of data makes breaking and ripping
harder

It's not the only reason, but a big one....

I got setup yesterday to really hear the new audio codecs TrueHD, DTS-HD
etc -- new receiver and updated by XA2 to Bitstream them via HDMI. Sound
good..

I still can not bitstream this from an HTPC to the receiver via HDMI, but
hopefully a way will be there soon - I play all my Bluray from a PC.. I have
lots of storage with dedicated RAID servers and all My HDVD and BLURAY are
also on my server as well as 1000 DVD's.. I can play the from PC's in 3-4
locations in my place without hunting down the disk..

These new sound codecs are worth occasionally pulling the disk and playing
in the stand alone player - they do sound good................

I'll look at standalone BD players after another generation - no interest in
the PS3


my one guess is copy protection

BD has better copy protection
than HD-DVD does

both the video biz and the audio biz
have repeatedly shown that they will
cut off their noses to spite their faces,
as long as they get higher profits in the
early stages of a new technology

HD-DVD has less copy protection than
BD does and will likely be cracked
sooner than BD will

Tarkus wrote:
You must be new here. Yes, he did. That's what he does.

I don't subscribe to the hdtv group, just the dvd group.
Hopefully he won't escape my filter.

Mark Jones wrote:
Tarkus wrote:
You must be new here. Yes, he did. That's what he does.

I don't subscribe to the hdtv group, just the dvd group.

Same here.

Hopefully he won't escape my filter.

He does here, only because I still find him amusing.